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Gregor

Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:02 am Post subject: |
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I've always been a drifter, and I have always liked the lifestyle. It never gave me a moment's grief.
Now I'm married, though, and I'd sort of like to settle down somewhere. Make a home. I don't know whether it's my old age, my wife's preference, or what. But that's where I am now. If I hadn't met my wife, I would have gone on drifting until I dropped dead, I suppose. I wasn't looking for a wife at ALL. Not even a girlfriend. Didn't even WANT one.
That's when stuff like that happens, though, isn't it? |
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Perpetual Traveller

Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 651 Location: In the Kak, Japan
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Deconstructor wrote: |
| Always traveling to me means that I'm a drifter. There is a sense of loneliness attached to the word drifter and I'm not sure I want to live my life all over the globe anymore. |
Well I think you'll find it hard to be lonely when you have a wife and kiddie attached! Really I was just trying to help you out with an excuse! However, if you've decided that you don't want to move around so much anymore I guess that's more telling isn't it. I keep hoping that one day I'll wake up and think 'that's enough' and be perfectly content to return home. Hasn't happened yet but I'm still young.
Drifter to me sounds kind of aimless and I wouldn't really apply that to anyone who knows where they want to go and has a reason to go there (such as to teach English or even just to experience a new culture, way of life etc) and is not just going to escape something at home or in their life.
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:11 am Post subject: when will you go home |
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I like that drifter's comments. My wife called me a ronin one time in an arguement, and I was pleased! Nothing wrong with triveling (travel living), but having a wife who wants to settle down does make you think more about retirement.
My wife and I thinking of going somewhere else as she doesn't like her employment chances in Japan (age and experience are major issues here), but she also likes living abroad (lived abroad in London for 10 years before I met her). Of course, where you can legally work and live is a major consideration, so we are considering Hawaii which with my American passport makes it easy to move there, it's not too far from japan by air, and an added benefit is my wife can easily use her Japanese language skills here as well.
We'd like to live in Europe, but the opportunities are slim as neither of us has an EU passport, works for a large corporation that would transfer us there or has an highly in-demand skill that would cause an employer to hire one of us over a native citizen or EU nation citizen.
So to answer the question, it's up in the air now, but could be anytime from a year or so or until we retire. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:22 am Post subject: |
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gaijinalways,
Your wife doesn't like her employment chances in Japan and she is Japanese? Can't see how she'd get "decent" jobs easier anywhere else. I think most jobs that require Japanese language abilities in Western countries would be in the tourism industry and those jobs aren't exactly high paying ones. Just my opinion, but I'd like to hear what you have to say. |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject: when are you going home |
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| MY wife is looking to work in a Japanese school and do translation work (she has done both here in Japan). They have a lot of age limits in Japan, and it's more difficult to do some businesses here. And we would also like to maybe do a B&B business in the Hawaii as well. |
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Gregor

Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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I can back up gaijinalways and his wife, based on my experience in China.
We're going to the U.S. (but maintaining our residence in China for the purposes of my getting a Chinese Green Card in another three years). My wife is not "old," but at 32, and with no formal education beyond high school, she's pretty well screwed as far as making a living.
But she's very much an entrepreneur. She's got a (largely illegal) home catering business going, and she has just sold that business for five thousand kuai. She's an amazing chef (though, again, untrained), and a hell of a manager of people and she has a good head for business. We're going to the U.S. because Chinese laws make it all but impossible for her (with her American husband) to get anything going here, legally.
And she can't find a decent salary. Experience counts for nothing at any decently-paying international hotel or restaurant jobs (most of her experience is managing local hotels, restaurants and sleazy KTV clubs). You have to have degrees up the yin-yang to get a flippin' interview here.
And even THEN, you have to be young. It's all about youth. My wife is stunningly beautiful, so all I can think is that either I can't see that she really DOES look old and unattractive (which I find difficult to believe, but it's possible - I've sen some ugly wives of expats here), or (more likely, I think) employers prefer to have young people who have less confidence and experience and are therefore less likely to lip-off and call them out for bad behavior.
In the U.S. she can show her stuff and let her personality and abilities show and be hired on the strength of that.
She can, too. The U.S. has some messed up laws and policies, but with regards to ageism and sexism and so on, the laws and the CULTURE have dictated in her favor. She is very good at what she does. Given an interview and the opportunity to strut her stuff, she'll find a job in no time, worst case scenario. More likely, she'll be able to charm investors into giving her money for her own place. Something that would never happen under the current laws, system and culture in China. |
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Jizzo T. Clown

Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 668 Location: performing in a classroom near you!
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| More likely, she'll be able to charm investors into giving her money for her own place. Something that would never happen under the current laws, system and culture in China. |
I think it takes a bit more than charm to convince people/firms to invest in a business opportunity. Not that I doubt your wife's skills or anything. It's hard enough for us Americans to get business loans (though far from impossible). So while charm and passion definitely play a hand in attracting start-up capital, a sound and detailed business plan is key. |
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Gregor

Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| I think it takes a bit more than charm to convince people/firms to invest in a business opportunity. |
Oh, I know that! I'm just saying that, in China, we actually had the financial resources to start up a business but not the gunagxi, so we've had to do it illegally (her catering now, my home school last year). And salaries for her are so stupidly low that our household would actually LOSE money if she had a full-time job...and then I'd never see my wife. |
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Spinoza

Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 194 Location: Saudi Arabia
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JZer
Joined: 16 Jan 2005 Posts: 3898 Location: Pittsburgh
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Jizzo T. Clown, and at least in the U.S. you always get a hot shower. Even living in a shitty apartment as a grad student I always had a hot shower. Now in Korea I never know whether my water tank will heat up or not. |
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sheeba
Joined: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 1123
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Saturday Morning .Possibly for good
If It was not for my health problems in China who knows how long I would have stayed . |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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I may be back in Canada next August, but I don't know how long I'll be there. If the job situation is bad then I"ll be leaving again, hopefully for a job in Japan beginning in April.
Of course it's possible that I'll find a job here in Japan starting August, and in that case I won't be back in Canada (except possibly for a visit- I won't have been there for three years when I finish my current contract) for a long, long while. |
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younggeorge
Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Posts: 350 Location: UAE
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Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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Saturday Morning .Possibly for good
If It was not for my health problems in China who knows how long I would have stayed . |
Pity about that. I hope you get well soon. |
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sheeba
Joined: 17 Jun 2004 Posts: 1123
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks George .I hope so too. I am leaving a girlfriend here and a job .As much as people say the NHS in the UK is terrible at least I will be talking to people on the same wavelength as me and perhaps the environment will clear up my problem and make me decide that the UK is really not such a bad place to live. |
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younggeorge
Joined: 15 Apr 2005 Posts: 350 Location: UAE
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Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| sheeba wrote: |
| Thanks George .I hope so too. I am leaving a girlfriend here and a job .As much as people say the NHS in the UK is terrible at least I will be talking to people on the same wavelength as me and perhaps the environment will clear up my problem and make me decide that the UK is really not such a bad place to live. |
Having been at the mercy of health care in various parts of the world, I think the NHS is still pretty damned good. As for the environment and UK being a good place to live ..... Well, good luck anyway. |
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