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turkishlover25
Joined: 27 Sep 2005
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Location: Charleston, IL USA
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 Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:57 am Post subject: Do You Know Turkish? |
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Do you speak Turkish? Read Turkish? Understand the common conversations you hear on the street? The easiest way would be to set up a scale of 1 - 10 and pick a number... but we're all lovers of languages, right? Not numbers 
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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Location: Melo Drama School
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I'm afraid that question will only ever come back to haunt you ... and I wouldn't own up to having asked it when (if) you go on to do your TEFL course ...
The only defence of the question itself could be that it is a translation of the question asked by many a kebabci ...
The response options to the question have no defence whatsoever ... that is, outside the realms of the absurd ... |
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Mark Loyd
Joined: 13 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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The kepabci would say with an unshaven lear:
Are you know Turrrrrrkish? |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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Location: Melo Drama School
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| Not in Turkish he wouldn't |
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turkishlover25
Joined: 27 Sep 2005
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Location: Charleston, IL USA
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Is there something wrong with learning Turkish? Perhaps it is not the most useful language one could choose to master, but if you are moving to Turkey, it is certainly not a bad idea. Especially since in the process of teaching Turks it could prove to be extremely useful in certain circumstances. |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| turkishlover25 wrote: |
| Is there something wrong with learning Turkish? Perhaps it is not the most useful language one could choose to master, but if you are moving to Turkey, it is certainly not a bad idea. Especially since in the process of teaching Turks it could prove to be extremely useful in certain circumstances. |
Who said there was anything wrong with learning Turkish ? |
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calsimsek
Joined: 15 Jul 2004
Posts: 775
Location: Ist Turkey
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:02 am Post subject: |
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| Is there something wrong with learning Turkish? |
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You have a number of options, you can live here in the Taksim area have teacher friends and never have to use Turkish in your life. I know alot of old timers ( some from the boxing world ) who after more than ten years here have a very limited use of Turkish. 
If you plane to stay, then learning Turkish is a must. How can you hope to really get to know the people and the country unless you can understand them. 
Anyway it can't hurt to know.
As the Turks say: Bir Dil Bir İnsan İki Dil İki İnsan |
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turkishlover25
Joined: 27 Sep 2005
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Location: Charleston, IL USA
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Well I was under the impression - from your earlier post - that learning Turkish was useless. I already speak some Turkish: I studied in Ankara for 3 months, as well as for the past 2 years on my own. Also, since my roommate here in Illinois is Turkish I can get practise in my way. It just strikes me as supremely American to DARE to live in another country for a long amount of time and not bother to pick up on the local tongue. In my experience, Turks are much friendlier if they realize you are at least trying to master Turkish. It doesn't matter if you are good or bad at it, just the EFFORT is what's important. |
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scot47
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I live in one part of what used to be the Ottoman Empire and work in another. I have in the past made attempts to learn Turkish but these have come to nothing.
Why did I find Turkish so difficult ? It is tough but I am sure it is worth the investment in time money and headaches. Can anyone recommend a GOOD textbook ? (And do not give me any of that communicative nonsense !) Grammar-translation. That is how I learned Latin ! And German ! And French ! And Arabic ! |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| turkishlover25 wrote: |
| Well I was under the impression - from your earlier post - that learning Turkish was useless. I already speak some Turkish: I studied in Ankara for 3 months, as well as for the past 2 years on my own. Also, since my roommate here in Illinois is Turkish I can get practise in my way. It just strikes me as supremely American to DARE to live in another country for a long amount of time and not bother to pick up on the local tongue. In my experience, Turks are much friendlier if they realize you are at least trying to master Turkish. It doesn't matter if you are good or bad at it, just the EFFORT is what's important. |
Who exactly are you addressing here? |
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turkishlover25
Joined: 27 Sep 2005
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Location: Charleston, IL USA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Oops, sorry - that would be you, no offense intended. Of course I realize I should have asked "Do you speak Turkish?" or "Turkce biliyor musunuz?"  |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| turkishlover25 wrote: |
| Oops, sorry - that would be you, no offense intended. Of course I realize I should have asked "Do you speak Turkish?" or "Turkce biliyor musunuz?" |
I'm baffled ... just because I pooh-pooh a questionnaire for its meaninglessness ... and let me spell it out for you as you really don't seem to have grasped my rather polite attempts at the start ... what exactly do you mean when you say 'Do you know Turkish?' ... it is probably one of the most extreme forms of subjectivity that exists ...
For example, if a person knows how to order a packet of cigarettes and an ale or two, does that constitute knowing Turkish. If a person knows, lets say, survival Turkish for all their day to day needs, does that constitute knowing Turkish? If a person knows enough to go beyond that and hold down some short conversations with some young Turks in a bar or two, does that .... ? etc ... etc .. can read Orhan Pamuk's 'Kar' in Turkish ... ? Can follow the news .. ?
Karisiyla, Ailesiyle, ve arkadaslarla rahat seklindede Turkce konusabilirse, Turkce bildigini soylenebilir mi ? Demek ki, sorunu sordugunda ne demek istiyorsun?
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| It just strikes me as supremely American to DARE to live in another country for a long amount of time and not bother to pick up on the local tongue. |
Kim Amerikali oldugumu yazmis? Ben yazmadim .. Amerikali degilim ...
Yazdiklarimi pek cok sevmediniz her halde, ama bana sorarsan ucuz kurtuldun ! Her positiv seklinde yazmayan kisi, oldugun yer hakinda orenmeyen kisi degil.
Yaptigim hatalarim icin, kusura bakma ama ben Turkce bilmiyorum. |
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turkishlover25
Joined: 27 Sep 2005
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Location: Charleston, IL USA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Wow... sorry about that. Wasn't expecting such a response. I misunderstood your original post and was trying to clarify that. And I never meant to make you think I assume you are American, I was just commenting on the well known fact that most American's couldn't care less about learning another language.
My original question was simply meant to be a way to learn whether TEFLers in Turkey think that learning Turkish is a valuable way to spend some of their free time. What they learn is certainly up to them. I can read "Snow" in Turkish if I really want to, but it gives me a headache so I have an English copy
Of course my question should/could have been more specific but I was just trying to get an overall idea. Hope that clears up some of the confusion. |
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justme
Joined: 18 May 2004
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Location: Istanbul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:21 am Post subject: |
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| Did you forget the question? Sometimes I forget the question. |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| justme wrote: |
| Did you forget the question? Sometimes I forget the question. |
That cloud of yours should start a rain of tears ... |
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