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Ultraman
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 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:00 am Post subject: Info sites (EF, etc?) |
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I've been lurking for a little while now. I think this is my first post...
I found this site that Gregor mentioned: http://groups.yahoo.china/group/efchina
I went and looked at it, and it's just a few of posts from ef doses, I guess. It's not a bad idea, though. You can contact individual schools this way. They take a lot of flame on Dave's, so it should be mentioned here.
Are there any other sites where we can get REAL information about schools, or at least contact info, rather than just heresay from possibly disgruntled teachers? If so, this should be a sticky.
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Super Mario
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vikdk
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:06 am Post subject: |
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problem is - that apart from setting up an independant inspector group - how on earth is it possible to get and correlate real objective information on any school or orginisation here - it's all heresay, and even a place one person likes could be anothers TESOL hell.
what we can assume though, is people who have a vested interest in an organisation, like EF'f DOS's, or those involved in recruiting, have an incentive to paint a rosier pic than the ordinary Joe - also the highly disgrutled also fill their posts with a lot of subjective clap trap - "fraid the best way of finding out is to contact those who work in places where there is a low conflict level - but these guys hardly ever post - nothing to whine about  |
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Roger
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| vikdk wrote: |
problem is - that apart from setting up an independant inspector group - how on earth is it possible to get and correlate real objective information on any school or orginisation here - it's all heresay, and even a place one person likes could be anothers TESOL hell.
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Your problem is - apart from your weird punctuation - that you succeed in making 4 mistakes in just 40 words of prose! Not just typos!
I expect better from my Chinese English learners!
But then again, this guy is here for the dough, not as a teacher! |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Im a kindy teacher rog - our punctuation lessons aint started yet  |
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Gregor
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for mentioning this Ultraman. Saves me the trouble.
I WOULD be happy if this was a sticky. In fact, I sent a PM to one of the mods about it, but I haven't heard back.
As for vikdk, I really don't know why I'm the only one who posts here. I never see other EF DoS comments here. I can't understand it, except to say that maybe they just don't use this forum, so how would they know? But it really doesn't matter THAT much. I mean, you could argue that I defend EF TOO much here. I mean, if it can't speak for itself and so many people have bad to say, then there must be some truth to the rumor, right?
I personally think that there is a lot of good to say about EF. But I seem to be in the minority.
But, again, what about other sites where you can get good information? Really, I don't care so much about EF per se. If it was a sucky school across the board, I'd say so and I wouldn't be working for them. My main concern - I swar to God - is helping out newbies. If they find some other good job to go to, then great. I hate for them to be put off of ANY school by naysayers with an axe to grind.
This thread should be a sticky, and it should include sites with information (not corporate flag waving) about Shane, Future School, Talenty, any chain schools.
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| "fraid the best way of finding out is to contact those who work in places |
Yes. I quite agree. Get in touch with a school or a DoS and see if they can put you in touch with any of the teachers there. Even THAT is going to be no sure thing, of course (see this thread: http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=32886 ), but it would be first-hand information, not just disgruntled teachers or someone trying to recruit for the school.
And, hey, DoSes (or whatever) for THOSE places - do y'all have a place to find contact information? Post it here. And, mods, can we make this a sticky? Pretty please? |
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Super Mario
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| I WOULD be happy if this was a sticky. In fact, I sent a PM to one of the mods about it, but I haven't heard back. |
Try to contain your anticipation, Gregor. You'll need to.
Meanwhile, just provide useful sites to the punters. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:49 am Post subject: Re: Info sites (EF, etc?) |
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| Ultraman wrote: |
Are there any other sites where we can get REAL information about schools, or at least contact info, rather than just heresay from possibly disgruntled teachers? If so, this should be a sticky.
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So you are looking for a list of schools that you can contact, and also a site that offers information about these schools. Well if you haven't already done so then you might want to check out the site that I am involved with www.buxiban.com as it seems that it is probably pretty close to what you are looking for.
As someone else mentioned, the only way to have comprehensive and up to date information about each and every school in China would be to have a team of fact finders out there continually updating this information. This is somewhat impractical and we therefore need to settle for second best.
What we can do is that teachers can compile this information themselves by chipping in information about the school that they work at currently as well as the ones that you have worked at in the past. The buxiban.com site hosts such information when it is offered to us and it becomes archived for future teachers who are researching that school.
Anyone who wants to contribute can post a 'review' of their school on that site or send it to me here by PM. Please include the good and the bad so that furture teachers can get a balanced view of things. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Info sites (EF, etc?) |
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| I think this is my first post... |
I smell something here. Good thinking and a rather suggestive site you�ve chosen!
And here are the EF DOS Gregor and Buxiban cofounder Clark. How intriguing! Roger is their �blind dog� leading them, isn�t he? Don�t loose your way, guys!
Cheers and beers |
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vikdk
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| couple of guys in this thread - if they wern't involved with TESOL - would really shine at selling second-hand cars or double-glazing - a third...well I suppose we just have to be kind to him, poor lad |
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Roger
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:23 am Post subject: Re: Info sites (EF, etc?) |
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| englishgibson wrote: |
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| I think this is my first post... |
I smell something here. Good thinking and a rather suggestive site you�ve chosen!
And here are the EF DOS Gregor and Buxiban cofounder Clark. How intriguing! Roger is their �blind dog� leading them, isn�t he? Don�t loose your way, guys!
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Englishgibson,
your time is running out! You are a single-issue man - let me inform you you are not going to last if you cannot broaden your mind and your interests!
I am beginning to suspect I showed you too much sympathy when you were crying wolf back when you started that thread about EF Huizhou!
Maybe, maybe, your then employer had a really good and valid reason to get rid of you!
Your behaviour is anything but rational! IT is disgraceful! |
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Super Mario
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| It would be interesting if anyone else put some useful links up before degenerating into the usual BS! |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Super Mario wrote: |
| It would be interesting if anyone else put some useful links up before degenerating into the usual BS! |
It is a shame that threads get derailed like this. It has become clear that some members of this forum never actually get around to offering any useful information on this forum as they spend so much of their time attempting to ridicule and criticize others.
Although obvious, googling the names of schools that you are interested in can bring back some information:
1. Their own website of course.
2. Their advertising history as far as teacher requirements. A school that only employs a couple of teachers but that is constantly advertising for new teachers is probably not doing too well managing their teachers which may be a something to watch out for.
3. Comments about the school from past and/or present teachers on this and other sites. |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:55 am Post subject: |
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it had already degenerated - into buxiban and EF  |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| vikdk wrote: |
| it had already degenerated - into buxiban and EF |
I think that you need to read the topic and OP's post. The OP was asking for links to sites that offer information about schools including EF and others.
Therefore the posts that you refer to above as 'degenerating' this thread were in fact spot on and most likely exactly what the OP was looking for.
In relation to that initial question I have been unable to find any information within your posts in this thread that helps the OP come any closer to finding an answer to his question! Maybe you want to start actually offering some information here if you want people to take your posts seriously as your posts are certainly making it appear like you are nothing more than a troll. |
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