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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject: how have you changed? |
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I am happy that I finally made it down to South America (a goal ever since graduating from uni in 1997, when Guatemala was as far south as I got), but I am noticing some new traits in my personality that I swear I didn`t have until I got here. And I`m not sure they`re good!
I think Chile made me more independent, and Peru has made me a lot more protective of my privacy. In Chile, I tried inviting other people--foreigners and Chileans alike--out for various outings, but after a few flakings and cancellations, I decided I was better off just hopping on a bus by myself. And now in my current job, I am noticing that for the first time ever I am trying to keep a distance. My town and my university are so conservative that I just figure that they will disapprove of, well, me. Best not to say anything! And we have one big office for all of the teachers, so there is no physical privacy--I guess I make up for it by maintaining emotional privacy.
I didn`t use to be like this! In Japan, and even back before that in Prague, I was always going out, inviting people over, etc. Maybe these changes are a sign that after my contract is up, it`s time to go "home"... One positive thing about the US, and something that has meant a lot to me recently, is that you can have whatever political/social/etc. beliefs that you want.
How have the various places you all have lived changed you?
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thelmadatter
Joined: 31 Mar 2003 Posts: 1212 Location: in el Distrito Federal x fin!
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: good question |
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mmmmm interesting question
I dont know how much I have changed in my 2.5 years in Mexico, but I have learned a bit about myself. I used to think I was very flexible - go with the flow - but I have to admit that I dont adapt as easily as I thought. I dont know if it is a question of age or just plain stubborness. Ex. I STILL get upset or at least a little miffed when someone doesnt do as promised - especially if I have to depend on someone to do something I cannot do for myself. Intellectually, I know this is Mexico but emotionally I still feel dissed.
Ive learned that the adage "When in Rome..." is nice in theory, it isnt always such good advice. For example, Ill never litter like I see people in Toluca do!
Ive found that there are values I have that Ill never change, whether or not I adapt my behaviors. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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I'm more tolerant of (or patient with) certain things, and I have more awareness of worldly matters, other nationalities, and my own country. |
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Jizzo T. Clown

Joined: 28 Apr 2005 Posts: 668 Location: performing in a classroom near you!
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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I actually don't feel as big a need to go out on the town or be sociable. It's funny cuz in Japan and China I was always going out. Now that I'm back in the states, I'm content to stay at home more often.
Then again, I may just be getting old.  |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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I've put on 10 kg.  |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 339
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:18 am Post subject: |
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I've learned to appreciate some things back home........like fresh air and wide open spaces, but also I've learned that Canada isn't the wonderland a lot of us are led to believe it is.
I don't miss the high taxes, the need to own a car and all the costs that go with it, the lack of decent jobs, the high cost of living etc.
I've learned to look for positive things where I am, because if I don't try, I will drown in a sea of negativity.
I've also learned that sometimes less is more. If I expect less from others, I often get more.
A friendly smile and a positive attitude is my best defense against the con artists and shysters in this racket.
I've learned to complain less, and try harder to make the best of things.
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Kent F. Kruhoeffer

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2129 Location: 中国
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:34 am Post subject: |
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How have the various places you all have lived changed you?
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Hello denise
After 17 years, 8 countries and exposure to at least 4 major religions,
I've become a lot more eclectic in my thinking, meaning that
I tend not to accept dogmatic viewpoints anymore.
Things are rarely black and white.
It's all about different
shades of grey.
I've also learned how to write diagonally.  |
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Will.
Joined: 02 May 2003 Posts: 783 Location: London Uk
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:34 am Post subject: |
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I've put on 10 ks too, some countries do that to you, others don't
(was that 10k before, or after, the photo Guy)
(Does Guy rhyme with my or with me?)
I learnt to appreciate the help that is given selflessly by people in another country where only they considered that my knowing two words of the local language was a success and not a crime
I learnt how to patiently, and politely, wait and categorise the bureaucrat in front of me when asking for something I had every right to have but ....could't or hadn't and while categorising them consider the possible tactic of blame that would be attributed, and to whom. by them.
I learnt about the empowerment that losing your temper can have in an enclosed space while losing patience waiting and categorising the bureaucrat in front of me when asking for something I had had every right to have had but ....hadn't or hadn't had and while exploding considered the possible tactic of blame that would be attributed, and to whom. by them.
I learnt to listen on public transport and try to understand the locals while trying to shapeshift and become unrecognisable to the pair of loudmouthed..so called compatriot westerners making a scene at the front of the bus so they didn't come and ask me ANYTHING.
I learnt not to ask ashamed looking westerners ANYTHING on public transport after trying fruitlessly to find out whether there were hot springs at the end of the route and when the bus would stop there on the way back to town and if there was a good pub there.
I no longer believe I will get a really good deal and build a dream upon it just because it says wonderful things in the recruitment ad.
I have become salt intolerant due to the taking of too many pinches of it.
I no longer try to explain that because I believe that someone else believes in their god/religion that they should also believe in my belief that there is not one
I no longer drink or smoke.
I realised just how absolutely useless it was to learn how to swear in seventeen languages.
I am more interested in the onomatopeic expression, and its spelling, used by others when answering the questiion about what they miss about 'home' than missing anything myself or even listening to the explanation of the 'Tim Tam method'
I value experience in others.
I really, really, REALLY, REALLY appreciate clean sit-upon toilets and soft toilet paper at the airport/station/bus terminal/ without a mugging granny or plate for 'tips' in sight.
I have become tolerant and helpful to other nationalities learning 'MY' language while gaining a greater intolerance of its misuse by those in my own language community, especially teachers and backpackers.
This could go on forever but I also learnt that about that too, but most of all.........
The value of a good sense of humour. |
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merlin

Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 582 Location: Somewhere between Camelot and NeverNeverLand
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: |
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The most important think I've learned is just how limiting it is to define oneself as: Nationality X, Political Orientation Y, Personality Z, Generation A, Occupation B or Religion C.
Not only is it dangerous to allow others to box you into a American Center-Left Agnostic English Teacher Gen x-er, when you start to identify others by groups it become more difficult for you to "break role" yourself. How can you say "I'm different" when you can't allow others that priviledge.
It's a constant battle that you never really win - but it must be fought daily or you'll find yourself trapping yourself in a cliche. Worse, you wont be able to see the exit because you don't even believe there can possibly be another alternative.
Check out my new signature. |
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denise

Joined: 23 Apr 2003 Posts: 3419 Location: finally home-ish
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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I like the bit about looking for the positives and using a smile as defense! Well, I like pretty much everything that was said, but those two points in particular. A simple smile, accompanied by silence, can get you out of so many unwanted situations!
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khmerhit
Joined: 31 May 2003 Posts: 1874 Location: Reverse Culture Shock Unit
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Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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As it is useful that while mankind are imperfrect there should be different opinions, so it is that there should be different experiments of living; that free scope should be given to varieties of character, short of injury to others; and that the worth of different modes of life should be proved practically, when any one thinks fit to try them. It is desirable, in short, that in things which do not primarily concern others, individuality should asert itself. Where, not the the person's own character, but the traditions or customs of other people are the rule of conduct, there is wanting one of the principal ingredients of human happiness, and quite the chief ingredient of individual and social progress.
In maintaining this principal, the greatest difficulty to be encountered does not lie inthe appreciation of means towards an acknowledged end, but in the difference of persons in general to the end in itself. If it were felt that the free develpment of individuality is one of the leading essentials of well-being; that it is not only a co-ordinate element with all that is designated by the terms civilisation, instruction, education, culture, but is itself a necessary part and condition of all those things; there would be no danger that liberty should be undervalued, and the adjustment of the boundaries between it and social control would present no extraordinary difficulty. But the evil is, that individual spontaneity is hardly recognized by the common modes of thinking as having any intrinsic worth, or deserving any regard of its own account. The majority, being satisfied with the ways of mankind as they now are (for it is they who make them what they are), cannot comprehend why those ways should not be good enough for everybody; and what is more, spontaneity forms no part of the ideal of the majority of moral and social reformers, but is rather looked on with jealousy,as a troublesome and perhaps rebellious obstruction to the general acceptance of what these reformers, in their own judgement, think would be best for mankind.
J S Mill, On Liberty,
Chapter 3, 'Of individuality, as one of the Elements of Well-Being' |
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Spinoza

Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 194 Location: Saudi Arabia
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merlin

Joined: 10 May 2004 Posts: 582 Location: Somewhere between Camelot and NeverNeverLand
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Most of us are kind of forced to consider what we say before speaking, eh?
In English we can really blaze away: sarcasm, innuendo, hyperbole. But in another country there's a REALLY LOOOOONG stage where we understand more than we can express. We are forced to pause at elast 10 seconds and collect our thoughts - often by that time it's too late and everyone's already gone about their business.
Kind of an enforced wisdom to listen more and speak less  |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:50 am Post subject: |
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(was that 10k before, or after, the photo Guy)
(Does Guy rhyme with my or with me?) |
I've updated the photo for my avatar...and not without a little embarrasment.
Guy ryhmes with 'me'...the French version of Guy. |
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Boy Wonder

Joined: 29 Mar 2004 Posts: 453 Location: Clacton on sea
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Well for a start I have become much older, wiser, experienced, charming and knowledgeable since 1997.
I am also better looking!!!
My tastes in women have changed..no more Essex bottle blondes for me..I found that girls resembling the gorgeous sultry Roubi (see Avatar pic) are the only ones that will suffice!
I voted Labour in 97...won't be doing that again....so could say my political views have changed and certainly become more traditionalist and right wing!! I am not yet the self styled Oswald Moseley of NE Essex but I now view Maggie in a whole new light!!!!
I have been to many places/met many people /done many things and have all the photos and postcards and Tshirts to prove it but one thing remains.......I love my mum most of all!!!!!! |
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