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kenkannif
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| Boy Wonder wrote: |
| Crime, especially against foriegners IS on the increase......!! |
Well proportionately (sp?) with more and more people coming here that's bound to happen (probably happening worldwide actually), but it doesn't mean the ratio is more.
Also with the 'net etc. you heard about these things 'easier' whereas before you most likely wouldn't have.
Still feel a darn sight safer here than in my little suburb in the UK.
Use your head and you'll generally be okay. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| clock wrote: |
| I personally know of around eight or nine people (both men and women)... |
I guess you'll say next that the plural of anecdote is evidence.
I personally know of hundreds of people (both men and women) who haven't experienced or even seen acts of violence in Bangkok.... blah de blah-blah.... |
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Boy Wonder
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| Henry_Cowell wrote: |
| clock wrote: |
| If you're such a BK veteran then why don't you realize that as soon as you cross Sathorn Tai you barely see a farang. |
The Sathorn area is precisely where a lot of condos and apartments house our sex-tourist grandpas -- and evidently our boy "wonder", according to his own admission.
And I'm not the one who asserted that almost all Thai entertainment spots are hooker hangouts. That was our boy "wonder" again.
Get a grip. I have not made (and shall never make) claims that I am living a Thai lifestyle. But neither shall I make lurid and exaggerated claims about the dangers of living in or visiting Bangkok. |
Cowell....since when did I become a sex tourist grandpa????
Won't be another 30 years till I reach the Grandfather stage.....
Oh and by the way ..when I do I 'll be living comfortably in a nice Semi in the UK somewhere not in some shack in Chatuchak or wherever you lay your hat!!!!!!
If anyone qualified for that status it was you.....(Mr BKK 1971) but you are probably too old for the exertions of Patpong now.....no doubt you sit in some crappy tin shack bar (authentic Thai you know) sipping your 35 bt Chang out of a straw, mentally diminshing by the hour and completely stuck in your timewarp of Bangkok being some kind of peaceful haven for all and sundry!!
You seem to know a lot about where sex tourists prefer to base themselves in BKK...too much perhaps for one accusing others of fitting that stereotype...could be YOU are the grand-daddy of them all....!!!
The fact remains..and even an ostrich with his head stuck in the sand(or in the 1970's) like you....must recognise...general crime here is on the increase and crime against foreigners whether they be tourists or teachers is on the increase.
The sooner you , living in your authentic-Thai, non farang, special crime free zone, monotonous suburbs, recognise this the better.
Cowell, one day you could be downtown, a tuk-tuk or taxi headed down a blind alley to be greeted by a gang of machete clad crims!!!
It happens...if you have the ability to search websites for news that isn't deemed necessary by the Nation or BKK post you would read about common attacks like these.
Oh and one last thing ...I don't think the girls who have been attacked and felt safer by moving apartments to be within 200m of the school were sex touristing when they were mugged and beaten.
They just don't seem the type!!!!! |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| boy wondering wrote: |
| not in some shack in Chatuchak or wherever you lay your hat! |
My place north of Chatuchak was a really nice place and a bit too large for us. I don't stay there now when I'm in Bangkok. And when I'm not in Bangkok, I'm in one of three other homes that I own abroad. Some people in our profession do get to roam about from country to country in their work. 
Boy, you just stay in the Sathorn area. Best place for youngsters to learn about the world! |
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clock
Joined: 31 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:05 am Post subject: |
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This has become ludicrous.
Henry, why can't you just accept that although you have not experienced crime in Bangkok, many others have. A hell of a lot more crime has happened to people I know and friends of mine in the relatively brief time I have been here than happened in the many years at home.
When I first arrived here I felt very safe and was not at all concerned about crime, having three friends mugged and one beaten up, and other people I know experience similar things, has made me feel a lot less secure.
The fact is Thailand has some of the highest crime rates in the world, particularly murder. Interestingly, it is 14th in the world, one behind Kyrgzstan and one ahead of Moldova:
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_mur_percap&int=-1
But who knows, perhaps next year we'll break into the top 10
Go Thailand!
Note that Thailand has by far the highest rate of Asian nations, has around double the rate of the U.S., and eight times the rate of my little country. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| crock wrote: |
| Henry, why can't you just accept that although you have not experienced crime in Bangkok, many others have. |
I've never disputed the fact that others here have experienced crime. Exactly where did I say that?
What I (and others more experienced in Thailand than you) do believe is that warnings and cautions simply need to be the same as in any other world capital city. You're in no vanguard here, and you're not reinventing the wheel. Of course people experience crimes in big urban areas. Duh! And if people go to Hard Rock Cafes and hooker hangouts, of course they're going to see more than if they go to the small neighborhoods' hangouts.  |
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clock
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| OK this is pathetic, I'm not going to bother responding to your latest ridiculous comments. No more posts from me. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:35 am Post subject: |
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crock, please check the statistics for crimes other than "murder" at the link you provided. For TOTAL CRIMES PER CAPITA, Thailand has nowhere near the highest rate in Asia.
Check robberies. Check burglaries. Check assaults. Check car thefts. Check manslaughter. Thailand doesn't quite reach the heights you want it to reach, now does it?
Makes one wonder how the Thai government reports "murder" statistics, now doesn't it? Do deaths connected to Muslim separatist incidents in the south (on both sides) count as murders?
Statistics are funny things, now ain't they? |
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kenkannif
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Spot on Henry! No diggety.....no doubt!!! |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Hey, Ken --
"There are three types of lies - lies, damn lies, and statistics."
Now who said that??  |
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kenkannif
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| I could Google...but I'm going with my gut....Ken Dodd? I'm right aren't I? |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Most info points to British P.M. Benjamin Disraeli. But that might get some people here into debating Middle East politics, which I don't think we want to start on THIS forum! |
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Boy Wonder
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Cowell...Ignorance is bliss and my God you have certainly proved your ignorance on this thread beyond all reasonable doubt!
Seems that way.....constantly denying the crime figures and first hand experiences of people living here.
What is the problem ....Is it that you don't want your belief of Thailand as some kind of crime free utopia to be shattered?
This is the developing world...and of course there will be crime.....drugs,rapes,muggings,murders,extortion..you name it....It is here just as it is in any other country in the developing world.
As for the issue of violence in the south....well the original question relates to safety in Thailand......It is hardly safe in Yala, Pattani and Narithiwat!!!
I am not painting Thailand to be a rival to the streets of Chicago in the 30's but some of you need to wake up and take a big reality check.
In terms of Asia I felt far safer in China, South Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Singapore, Laos and Vietnam. |
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kenkannif
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Different experiences for different people mate is all.
I find it well safe here, you think it's not so safe.....that's all. C'est la vie!
The crime figures you refer to though are generally Thai on Thai so kind of a moot point. |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Dear "wondering boy"...
Just keep going to Hard Rock Cafe and other spots that attract the rich, the young, the trendy, the criminal, the thrill-seeker, the tourist, the greedy, the wanton and the deranged.
You'll be able to report enough violent incidents to keep your little travel scrapbook filled forever.
If you can't provide facts and evidence (like the relative crime statistics from around the world that"crock" so generously referenced), you'll just keep spouting anecdotes. |
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