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Total Life Change... Can Anyone Relate???
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calories wrote:
My parents asked me . . .


I think if your parents see you thrive and perhaps prosper (put some money in the bank or make some investments) - then their doubts will fade. Generally that's all parents want for the children.
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memorabilis



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Then what" is a tough question. I don't think that a permanent life abroad is one for me. I love my own country too much. On the plus side, I didn't actually know this until I left it. I would never even have known unless I went.

So the trick right now is to engineer a niche in the job market at home. I love teaching ESL and want to continue to do it. So I'm upgrading qualifications. I have my degree and my crappy TESOL cert which isn't really worth the paper it's written on. Right now I'm taking a real TESL cert through a university at home which will open the door to teaching in the gov't language instruction for immigrants. It will also expand possibilities abroad. Eventually when enough money is saved I will likely try for a master's in applied linguistics (with the absolutely disgusting prospect of doing a couple of years of undergrad work to qualify - my degree is in German). But right now the experience I'm building up should help to get jobs at home as well. And I'm seeing the world, living in now my second foreign land, and having a marvelous time for the present.
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Cdaniels



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Problems with parents Reply with quote

tedkarma wrote:
I think if your parents see you thrive and perhaps prosper (put some money in the bank or make some investments) - then their doubts will fade. Generally that's all parents want for the children.

I think, "generally" parents would like to see their grandchildren!
Discussions may be specifically over money or status or happiness but I think in the back of many parents minds, if not right in the forefront, is grandchildren.
<shrug>
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Cdaniels



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject: Flying the coop! Reply with quote

stillnosheep wrote:
Why ask? Or have you just split up with a 27yr old guy from New Jersey and are wondering whether your ex-love is about to fly the coop?
Laughing
I think I've already revealed that my divorce inpires me to leave home and go exploring. Embarassed Freud said travel was a substitute for sex! Laughing
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cwc



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: why Reply with quote

I just want to know why nobody has ever posted, I am a 27y/o hetero male/ female looking for a job in ________? Why do you need to put your sexual preference. What would the forum be like if everyone did that? I can just see it. I like short/ tall/ brown / white / skinny/ fat/ women/ men and am thinking about working in _______.
Get real. Your sexual preferences have nothing to do with it. No big deal but I find it strange.
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panchotino



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:47 pm    Post subject: good craic Reply with quote

although i'm not the origional poster of this thread the posts i have read have been inspiring.i'm 27, always been in catering but with a degree i'm never used.seeing as it cost me 16 grand, i like the idea of it going towards something.i'm doing a tesol (asian efl thing online)and hopefully going to korea to earn a bit of cash.i've no ties, no family pressure and most of my friends are work related and will drop me when they realise i can't get them a good table on a saturday night.i honestly don't know whether i will enjoy teaching, korea or being away from home but the point is you've got to try and when you have no commitments it is the best time to do it.i'm desperate to get away from the u.k but i may come back or i may not.i do hope it will change my life but if it doesn't well, people will always eat out!!oh and i'm straight like red heads and moon lit walks along the pier.this is also the most positive threads i have read on this site.good luck to you all.shalom like.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just want to know why nobody has ever posted, I am a 27y/o hetero male/ female looking for a job in ________? Why do you need to put your sexual preference.


I am a 32 year old heterosexual male, currently working in Ecuador.

Do you honestly not see the difference? I don't include my sexual preference in my posts, because I'm relatively secure in the fact that there isn't a majority, anywhere in the world, that will discriminate against me for it. I don't think it will affect the overseas environment for me. Am I worried that I might move to a country where heterosexuality is seen as deviant and immoral, against the law of god, where straights have to hide their true feelings and pretend to be something they aren't?

Sometimes your sexual preference will affect your experience in moving overseas. Sometimes it won't. Sometimes it may form a part of your reasons for moving in the first place. The OP had his own reasons for including it. And there's no reason why he shouldn't.

Justin
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ls650



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please don't feed the trolls. Confused
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cwc



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:31 pm    Post subject: y que? Reply with quote

If you read his post, you will see that he was asking about �then what?�. He made no allusion as to whether or not his sexual preferences would be out of line in another country. I am certain that there are gay forums that could treat that query. I also think that he was well within his rights to make the post. I just question the fact that his sexual preferences are the first thing he mentions. Is that his only redeeming quality? One is hired to work not demonstrate his/her sexuality. Putting it as one�s defining quality invites discrimination. We are much more alike than different. BTW, we readily accept gays/lesbians in Mexico.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Re: y que? Reply with quote

cwc wrote:
BTW, we readily accept gays/lesbians in Mexico.
How broad-minded of you ... ... ... here, have a biscuit.
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cwc



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:48 am    Post subject: ORIGINAL POSTER Reply with quote

OP, I can tell you that maintaining your prof. credential(s), state and federal is very important. This usually requires paying dues and attaining continuing ed. hours. This was the most important for me. My field has a special �out� for people that have been out of the country for five years and are in good standing. My cont. ed. hours are cut in half and my dues are less than 10% of normal. If you don�t do this, you will be held to the new requirements when you return.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tedkarma wrote:
Calories wrote:
My parents asked me . . .


I think if your parents see you thrive and perhaps prosper (put some money in the bank or make some investments) - then their doubts will fade. Generally that's all parents want for the children.


I think parents want their kids to happy as well, and would rather they were overseas and happy (especially if they make trips home every now and then- something I haven't done Embarassed ) than at home and miserable. Part of why they are always asking "and then what?" is that they want their kids to think in terms of a career because getting a career is one of the hallmarks of financial stability. As other people have said many, many times, teaching English can be a good career but you really need to be pretty serious about credentials.

memorabilis wrote:

I have my degree and ... Right now I'm taking a real TESL cert through a university at home which will open the door to teaching in the gov't language instruction for immigrants. It will also expand possibilities abroad. Eventually when enough money is saved I will likely try for a master's in applied linguistics (with the absolutely disgusting prospect of doing a couple of years of undergrad work to qualify - my degree is in German). But right now the experience I'm building up should help to get jobs at home as well.


That's where I was about three years ago. I was working a totally unfulfilling job (that nevertheless paid alright for what I was doing) and then quit and moved five hours away to do a real TESL certificate through a university. Following that I was dirt poor and virtually unemployed for another year before leaving Canada. I want to do an MA in Applied Linguistics now, but just don't have the money.

Racheala wrote:
I'm a 28 female and was working in a totally male dominated area and was just plain sick and tired of being treated like a 'girl' ........ seriously frustrating for me!


Yeah, gender discrimination sucks. That's what I faced after I finished my university TESL certificate when I went to get one of those gov't language instuction for immigrant jobs (I'm a hetero male). Hearing "All males are stupid and the ones who want to teach ESL are just in it to get an exotic wife" is a surpirsingly common sentiment and comment in those types of ESL jobs in Canada, if you can even get one as a male (see the 'dirt poor' comment earlier in this post). I was volunteering the first time I heard this type of comment said while I was standing right there.
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jpf_msw



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:44 am    Post subject: Thanks everyone Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

Thank you all for your replies. I am still giving serious consdieration to teaching abroad. The other possibility I am considering is getting my social work license overseas. When I originially posted last month, I was pretty much obsessed with "then what..." but then realized that that is really something I am not concerned about, its more what everyone is saying to me, so I am in a better and more confident place now. I will be in touch as I figure out where it is I want to go, and its great to have this forum to post questions on.

As for the fact that I posted I was gay... it is sad that I even have to factor that in to my decisions, but it is reality. I know that many countries are blatantly hostile towards gays and well, I was hoping someone would have insight on countries that are not tolerant at all, since for me it would be a safety issue. That's all. But I am finding out the countries that have more lenient/liberal social leanings, which is a big help.

Thanks again for everyone's input and responses, it means a lot!
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mlomker



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:28 am    Post subject: Re: Thanks everyone Reply with quote

jpf_msw wrote:
But I am finding out the countries that have more lenient/liberal social leanings, which is a big help.


Asia and the Middle East aren't the best environment unless going back into the closet is okay for you. I love Asia but it isn't Amsterdam.
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sallycat



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

japan seems to work fine for many gay people. i know a lot of not particularly closeted people here. it is backward and ignorant in a lot of ways, but you shouldn't have any trouble.
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