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gicor
Joined: 09 Feb 2006 Posts: 20
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:11 am Post subject: Re: advice for paulmanser |
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biffinbridge wrote: |
Paulmanser ,the money belt is not necessarily the way forward cos you might meet a girl.Follow my mate- in- Thailand's advice,-'keep your money in your socks and your socks on.'
That said going back to the OP,Poles are rude.I don't go for Mr Fomcalis bull about communism and breadlines...they teenagers weren't alive then.They'll quite happily dodge buying rounds,buying their own cigarettes and saying 'excuse me' when trying to get to the bar....even when they have a few quid.
Poles are also temperamental.Your friend one minute, gone the next.....all because you happened to remind them that Lineker knocked them out of the 86 world cup....or more generally cos they didn't understand you...you know,person a:"I don't give a monkey's." Pole:"Are you calling me a monkey."(Co,jestem malpa?)
Poles are also superficial and like the arabs, often befriend you cos you're useful to them in some way.They can practise their English,you can proof read their work,you can buy them drinks,you give them imaginary kudos.....da dee da and so on.Just look at the bunch of EFL losers who've got stunning girlfriends out here.
Most of the long timers in Poznan have long since stopped having anything to do with them....well as far as platonic situations go anyway.Us expats hangout together and exploit the cheap beer,'friendly' women and beautiful seasons and scenery that Poland has to offer.Call that shallow but it's just the way it is. |
Erm..... how many Poland's are there, because that is most certainly not the one I know. |
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Kymro
Joined: 19 Oct 2003 Posts: 244
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:23 am Post subject: Re: advice for paulmanser |
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gicor wrote: |
biffinbridge wrote: |
Poles are also superficial and like the arabs, often befriend you cos you're useful to them in some way.They can practise their English,you can proof read their work,you can buy them drinks,you give them imaginary kudos.....da dee da and so on.Just look at the bunch of EFL losers who've got stunning girlfriends out here.
Most of the long timers in Poznan have long since stopped having anything to do with them....well as far as platonic situations go anyway.Us expats hangout together and exploit the cheap beer,'friendly' women and beautiful seasons and scenery that Poland has to offer.Call that shallow but it's just the way it is. |
Erm..... how many Poland's are there, because that is most certainly not the one I know. |
As a ten year resident of Poland, I would have to admit that (unfortunately) there is some truth in what Biffin has written.
Particularly the 'losers with stunning girlfriends' line.
As expatriates we should attempt to respect our hosts and their culture.
But sometimes we also have to come to terms with the 'Polish reality'. |
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Kymro
Joined: 19 Oct 2003 Posts: 244
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:48 am Post subject: |
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paulmanser wrote: |
Why the mad rush for the train |
I've noticed that.
Everyone fights to be the first inside the nearest door of the nearest carriage.
While I am taking a gentle stroll to the (usually empty) second carriage.
A curious custom. |
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Dan The Chainsawman

Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 302 Location: Yinchuan
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:25 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like Korea....
Falling down on the platform will leave you half dead from being trampled. |
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Brooks
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1369 Location: Sagamihara
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Lodz is not that bad. No reason to avoid it.
The economy there wasn`t doing very well, which is why lots of people left for Warsaw.
Unemployment was about 3% in Warsaw but about 20% in Lodz.
As for crime, a friend had his cell phone almost stolen on a Warsaw tram by a Vietnamese man.
The only time I have been a crime victim in my life was in Warsaw. I came home one night to find that a Sony Discman I had borrowed had been stolen. The thief climbed through a window. My flatmate had apparently left his window unlocked or slighly ajar. We thought a construction worker was the thief, but had no proof. He had some money stolen. The doors to our rooms had all been kicked in with muddy boots.
The police report took over two hours. I don`t think I got to bed before 2 a.m. that night. |
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cheeseandegg
Joined: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 58
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Poland is the safest country I've visited in Europe. If you are from England, the US or any big city in Ireland, Scotland or Wales then you'll find Poland to be extremely safe. Poles will tell you that crime is a problem but they haven't experienced the UK or USA!
Even as a foreigner you are very safe. Burglary rates are very low, muggings and assaults are also very low. Car crime is a problem especially so for foreigners. |
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paulmanser
Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 403
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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I found the central railway station to be dodgy in Warsaw.
There is one thing that makes me iffy though and thats alot of graffiti in Poland including on Torun university. In the UK/USA graffiti area means trouble and ROUGH and Poland is the norm near enough eevrywhere. Just off putting thats all. Certianly wont put me off Poland. The only reason WHY im heading their is friends. |
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Pollux
Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Posts: 224 Location: PL
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Everyone fights to be the first inside the nearest door of the nearest carriage. |
I think it's a national sport. Recently, I watched a face off between Poles and Russians at an Egyptian airport. All departures were at aproximately the same time, so a few hundred passangers were frantically trying to go through one metal detector gate thinking they would miss their flight. I watched the spectacle, while quietly eating my lunch, at the adjacent detector, which oppened when the Egyptians decided that the melee was too much. It nearly came to exchanging blows between the well rested tourists, not to mention the insults flying. What interested me was how can one spend a week or two relaxing on the beaches of the Red Sea and just instantly switch to a stressed out commuter. I suppose instict kicked in... it will take a generation or more before the struggle for vinegar gives way to civil behavior.
BTW, it's very safe here apart from the 55 gallon drum older women who think they've earned the right to shove averyone else out of their way. |
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gregoryfromcali

Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 1207 Location: People's Republic of Shanghai
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:48 am Post subject: |
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I watched a face off between Poles and Russians at an Egyptian airport. |
Russians versus Poles.
Relaxed tourists turn into psychotic killing machines and Egypt has to send in peace keepers to prevent the worst bloodshed between these two nations since the Polish-Russian war for Independence.
I love it!
Have you got a video? |
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biffinbridge
Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 701 Location: Frank's Wild Years
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: erm... |
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Don't really get where you're coming from Mr.Fomcali as I haven't lived in England for over 12 years.I merely stated the fact that many of those under 30 are too young to have been moulded by communism.Waste of space eh?My ex-wife might agree but few others.
Getting back to the thing about safety....I agree with the post about Poland being safe.Petty theft is the only thing you really have to watch out for.I've been in and out of Poland since 95 and I've never been mugged but I have been robbed.I've lost several mobiles and the wallet twice in all that time.Usually it was cos I wasn't paying attention...ie was pished.
As for the loser/stunning girlfriend jibe...there was actually an article about that in the Guardian a while back.I think anyone who's been here more than a few months can't fail to be astounded by the Delboy dates Keira Knightly phenomenon.I'm not complaining.ha ha.
I'll stick by what I said though;For the large part,Poles are rude,they don't smile enough and they are not honest when it comes to money. This isn't an anti foreign thing,it's the way they are with everyone.(That said,I have a few good Polish friends.) |
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simon_porter00
Joined: 09 Nov 2005 Posts: 505 Location: Warsaw, Poland
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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agree and disagree with biffinbridge here:
yes Polish people genrally have a problem with smiling, especially my missus' father who seems to think its some kind of sport to look as miserable as possible in photo's.
Mind you offer them a shot of vodka and that changes.
Generally speaking as someone who has extensive family in Poland and been in and out of Poland for the last few years it can be difficult 'adjusting' to Poles. Yes, some of them will try to gain from you but then again how easy it to say No? UK/USA people will have a problem in refusing people 'cos its not in our nature and we feel we may offend the other person. Rest assured, due to x years of communism Polish people don't have that worry. Yes, Polish people are demanding but then they work hard and have lived through adversity so expect people to have the same expectations/desire as them.
However, a Pole is a good friend, who will do anything for you and offer unrivalled hospitality. Should any of you people going to Poland be lucky enough to go round for dinner with a Polish persons family, take a small gift and you'll have a great time |
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gregoryfromcali

Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 1207 Location: People's Republic of Shanghai
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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gregoryfromcali

Joined: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 1207 Location: People's Republic of Shanghai
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Alright, fair enough.
I agree there are some miserable Poles out there.
Complaining is a national sport for some and if they can't find something to complain about then they'll find something to worry about.
I actually remember one of my students telling me she wanted to become pessimist because she thought it was cool.
But saying that I do believe there are lots of exceptions, but unfortunately complaining and worrying seems to be the "choosen" language a number of Poles.
I remember someone once saying, "In England every conversation starts with a comment about the weather, in Poland every conversation starts with a complaint."
Yes, Poles have their bad habits too and some more than others. But I don't think they're anymore dishonest than people anywhere else. I just think you may run things on ocassion like people trying to short change you, demanding more from their English teachers and not paying for the next round because their wages are so low. But what can you expect when some people are making 5zl an hour?
I realize that communism is a thing of the past, but the effects of almost half a century of it aren't going to disappear over night.
Besides at the end of the day, birds of a feather flock together. So if you don't like the people you find yourself around, maybe it's not Poland maybe it's you.  |
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philobedo
Joined: 13 Feb 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Krakow
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Clearly some of you have had some bad experiences but writing off 'Poles' as dishonest, miserable or unfriendly is totally over the top.
Yeah most people in shops aren't friendly like you would find in the UK for example. Yeah there are some arseholes about, some gold-diggers, some users. But that doesn't mean most Poles and it's certainly not the ones I know. I've found Poles to be as least as, if not more generous, more willing to do you a favour than Brits on the whole.
They're not just a nation out for what they can get from you. Let's keep things in perspective. |
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Khrystene

Joined: 17 Apr 2004 Posts: 271 Location: WAW, PL/SYD, AU
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Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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paulmanser wrote: |
care to educate me?
my experience with poles is limited to the poles i emt from camp america and 1 visit to warsaw and Torun. Plus using their transportation buses/trains ect and fierce winter weather. |
I'm sorry but I have one of these right now on my face too... and a bit of
I'm so SICK of f'n whinging ppl, complaining about the situation here in PL, and yet not having the 'energy' or ability to read a little about the history of the place before they get here... YES I'M REALLY ANNOYED!
Like I said in another of your Q's... read Norman Davies at the very least. Learn about the history of this place and its people, and for christs sake, get to know them... that is, if you're planning on staying. If not staying, leave sooner rather than later. If this is your experience or attitude towards Poles and Poland, it's not going to get any better.
I live in Torun, and yes it's unsafe at night, it's a small town, with an inner city population of hooligans. But, you do what you can. Keep your eyes and ears peeled, and just move with the flow of traffic, don't be a wanker.
[Hopes it wasn't you I saw chatting up Polish girls in NIEBO the other day.]
I'm really really annoyed, and I've read most of your posts.
It makes me wonder how someone with such poor typing and spelling could be teaching English at all.
*b#tchy* |
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