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ShapeSphere
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 386
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: Hard Evidence: Teaching in Japan without a degree |
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The standard requisite for all teaching jobs in Japan clearly states that a degree is a must.
I don't have a degree, but have 4.5 years English teaching experience, TESOL, and 13 years I.T. experience.
My chances are limited but not impossible. I've read on this site and through other research, that teachers can work in Japan without a degree.
Some claim that 4 years teaching experience will allow a Humanities Visa. I qualify for that.
Some claim that over 10 years work experience means Japanese immigration see the merit in your skill set, and a visa is permitted. I qualify for that.
My question is simple. Where is the hard evidence that supports these claims?
Japan is a country renowned for its rules and regulations, so surely such visa laws will be written down somewhere. Does anyone know of their existence and is able to provide links?
I would be very grateful if anybody can help out. Cheers.
I should also point out that a very small number of schools have mentioned that a degree is not required. Smith's English School - a sort of franchise operation - being one of them. So there must be a loophole or bypass somewhere.
(I am currently visiting Japan [Kyushu] as a part-holiday/part-work search, and for the first time feel that I could spend the rest of my life in one location. I love it that much. But after living in Germany & China, am aware of the 'honeymoon' period that happens to many new arrivals in their new world. I will only know my true feelings after a year or two years, but don't know until I try.)
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Hard Evidence |
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| ShapeSphere wrote: |
| TI would be very grateful if anybody can help out. Cheers. |
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/appendix1.html
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| I should also point out that a very small number of schools have mentioned that a degree is not required. Smith's English School - a sort of franchise operation - being one of them. So there must be a loophole or bypass somewhere. |
Smiths is not a franchise operation, and for your own safety, I recommend you give it a wide berth. The company specialises in selling visas to people who do not otherwise qualify for them, if you have the money.
Comments on Smith can not be posted here so PM for details on what its really like. |
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ShapeSphere
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 386
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:49 am Post subject: |
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PAULH. Thanks for the reply. I actually knew about the mofa link through Google searching, but not that part.
I've just been sifting through all the past posts on this forum and this link says that a four year degree is not required:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=34135
This thread, where you actually gave some great info about the Specialist in Humanities visa:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=33997
I'll take your word regard Smith's. I can see from a lot of posts, that your opinions are respected and you know plenty about Japan. That's good enough for me. Cheers and I'll do some more looking. I'm determined to get work in Japan. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| ShapeSphere wrote: |
| PAULH. Thanks for the reply. I actually knew about the mofa link through Google searching, but not that part. |
If you go from the main page there is a small link called Appendix seven. Its like a secret door and if you blink you will miss it. That leads to the above link.
To get technical on you, four year degree is a degree from the US, Canada and Japan. Commonwealth countries have 3 year undergrad BAs. I have a 3 year BA from a university in New Zealand. Both 3 year and 4 year undergraduate BA or BSC are acceptable for visa and immigration purposes. AA degrees and associate degrees are NOT.
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| I'll take your word regard Smith's. I can see from a lot of posts, that your opinions are respected and you know plenty about Japan. That's good enough for me. Cheers and I'll do some more looking. I'm determined to get work in Japan. |
You can only get work if immigration issues you a work visa. No amount of wishing will grant you one if you dont have a degree or qualify for a work permit (or spouse visa as the case may be).
I have seen far to many people burnt and lives ruined by such scams and ripoffs but they are much harder to eradicate than you can ever imagine. |
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ShapeSphere
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:24 am Post subject: |
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OK cheers.
I was just looking at the official visa laws from the MOFA link you provided, and it clearly states in part a of the Instructor position:
"The applicant must have graduated from or completed a college or acquired equivalent education, or must hold a license to teach the subject that he or she intends to teach in Japan."
I have TESOL and so "hold a license to teach the subject". The key word is "or". Have I understood that correctly I wonder...?
This four year degree rule is technically not required. Schools just put that in, because they want somebody educated and out of university. I understand and respect that, but I am at the age of 38 and have received plenty of education in life and work, through real experience. I am not 22 years old! (But, it would be nice to be young again).
A university degree at my stage in life, wouldn't change who I am today. That said, I will consider doing an MA in the future as more knowledge and learning on my part wouldn't go amiss. It would be useful in today's job market. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: |
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You can rationalise all you want, but in 99.9% of cases immigration (not your employer) demands an undergraduate BA. You dont have one you dont get a visa. You can always ask the embassy and see what they will accept. Dont hold your breath, though.
In 20 years in Japan I have heard of very few people get a full sponsored visa without a BA unless they can con immigration into thinking a 2 year AA diploma is a 4 -year degree.
If you have experience (TESOL cert by itself is not enough to get a visa) you can aim for the Specialist in Humanities. Ultimately its up to immigration and immigration alone, whether you get a visa, not us. Language schools do not issue work visas so its not up to them. Blaming the school is not seeing the wood for the trees.
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OK cheers.
I was just looking at the official visa laws from the MOFA link you provided, and it clearly states in part a of the Instructor position:
"The applicant must have graduated from or completed a college or acquired equivalent education, or must hold a license to teach the subject that he or she intends to teach in Japan."
I have TESOL and so "hold a license to teach the subject". The key word is "or". Have I understood that correctly I wonder...?
This four year degree rule is technically not required. Schools just put that in, because they want somebody educated and out of university. I understand and respect that, but I am at the age of 38 and have received plenty of education in life and work, through real experience. I am not 22 years old! (But, it would be nice to be young again).
A university degree at my stage in life, wouldn't change who I am today. That said, I will consider doing an MA in the future as more knowledge and learning on my part wouldn't go amiss. It would be useful in today's job market. |
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