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cezarek
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 Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: info |
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| Profi-Lingua and JDJ employ teachers without TEFL qualifications. |
And TFLS, Didier and Target. Says a lot. |
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Kymro
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: info |
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| cezarek wrote: |
| biffinbridge wrote: |
| Profi-Lingua and JDJ employ teachers without TEFL qualifications. |
And TFLS, Didier and Target. Says a lot. |
According to 'Alex' it's impossible to get work, or work permits without a TEFL qualification.
I wonder if he still believes this  |
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Khrystene
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, but I would never PAY to work... I get PAID to work.  |
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Khrystene
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Also, Stay away from Torun, we have bird flu....
...and frankly I don't need the competition... |
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Grrrmachine
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Heh, you reading this, Paul? I don't think I to I can protect you from Khrystene... |
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paulmanser
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: |
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haha yeh im reading this.
KHR its called VALUABLE experience.
OK let me run this through haha. Name another place in Poland or same location which si Gdansk that some school will offer me 8 weeks worth of practice IN poland not in a UK form of school. Given food and accommodation for free during those 8 weeks. If not free food/accommodation the price of living might come to the same rough estimate anyway and already cared for before I arrive.
? IM ONLY doing this program to get experience under my belt and having 8 weeks as a newbie with qualifications cant be bad. As for the pros like yourselves the idea of it is absurd as you can easily walk into another job like walking into another shop. |
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slodziak
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Paul,
I've been reading your numerous posts with interest and have come to the conclusion you are a little bit mad.
You are clearly set on coming to Poland and paying money to get a job, maybe you have already paid the money and you have no tolerance for the idea you may be wrong.
Paying money for Camp America and paying money for a teaching job in Poland shouldn't be compared. As you say yourself "supply and demand". English teachers are in demand in Poland and there isn't a great supply of them. I don't accept your experience will be anymore valuable than getting a job the traditional way simply because you are paying for it - but you probably don't care.
Anyway whatever happens I really hope it works out for you in Torun and you go back to the UK with good memories. I'm sure your students will find you interesting and you will love them and Poland. Hey you may even come back and become the next Kevin Aiston or even Alex Shulgin.
Good luck mate and if you are ever in Sl?sk let me know. |
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paulmanser
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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little bit mad? lol
Nah just very eager and willing to do anything to get to TEFL career im after. Thanks for the message though it was a very warm response.
Hey by the way so far I have 3306 zloty so far, savings wise, not bad eh consid im a student. |
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Alex Shulgin
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: info |
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[quote="Kymro"]
| cezarek wrote: |
According to 'Alex' it's impossible to get work, or work permits without a TEFL qualification.
I wonder if he still believes this :?: |
To get a work permit one must prove foreign expert status. A TEFL qualification proves that. I know that some bosses (not naming any names here Warren) take a flexible approach to the law but do we really want to work for criminals?
Let's review the schools where one can work without a TEFL qualification: Profi-Lingua (but not the ones I know of), JDJ, TFLS, Didier and Target. Oh, and Go! Languages. Well there's an attractive list of schools if ever I have seen one. There must be huge competition to work at those places.
Just for Warren I'll refine my statement: to get a work permit if needed or to work at a halfway decent school (and any of the PASE schools) a teacher must have a TEFL qualification. |
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paulmanser
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A decent TEFL qualification yes. No offence to anyone but I would never touch TEFL international.
CELTA
TRINITY
COLLEGE OF TEACHERS
are the big 3 in my opinion and all 3 are recognised by the British council. To be given aTEFL certifictae without accred by these 3 seems worthless and crappy looking. Celta for cambridge, TRINITY for oxford and COLLEGE OF TEACHERS for its ROYAL CHARTER mark since 1849 and overal professional. |
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cezarek
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| paulmanser wrote: |
A decent TEFL qualification yes. No offence to anyone but I would never touch TEFL international.
CELTA
TRINITY
COLLEGE OF TEACHERS
are the big 3 in my opinion and all 3 are recognised by the British council. To be given aTEFL certifictae without accred by these 3 seems worthless and crappy looking. Celta for cambridge, TRINITY for oxford and COLLEGE OF TEACHERS for its ROYAL CHARTER mark since 1849 and overal professional. |
But you should trust those who know. There are no "big 3". Just CELTA and Trinity. 'College of Teachers' is unknown. Believe me. And by the way Trinity is Trinity College London, no Oxford connection. |
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paulmanser
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Yeh CELTA/TRINITY are internationally well known deff. The next best selections are UK university whom offers it, like maybe royal holloway/COT.
The ONLY reaosn why I never decided to do TRINITY/CELTA and thats ebcause im a current university stduent and said to me via phone that I can only take a CELTA course once I finished degree studies, which Im not prepared to wait for, so this summer walla INTESOL 150 horus 6 hours teach pract COT accreditation course in Prague from May till end of June.
As TEFL is badly needed I doubt I will ever take CELTA./TRINITY, not unless I have no choice which wont happen for a long time or ever since demand far outstrips supply. |
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Alex Shulgin
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| paulmanser wrote: |
A decent TEFL qualification yes. No offence to anyone but I would never touch TEFL international.
CELTA
TRINITY
COLLEGE OF TEACHERS
are the big 3 in my opinion and all 3 are recognised by the British council. To be given aTEFL certifictae without accred by these 3 seems worthless and crappy looking. Celta for cambridge, TRINITY for oxford and COLLEGE OF TEACHERS for its ROYAL CHARTER mark since 1849 and overal professional. |
Yes that is your opinion and it is the opinion of somebody who clearly doesn't know a damn thing about TEFL.
FYI: TEFL international is the biggest TEFL course provider in the world. TEFL international used to run Trinity courses but split off from Trinity and still keep the same high standards that they had when a Trinity centre.
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| The ONLY reaosn why I never decided to do TRINITY/CELTA and thats ebcause im a current university stduent and said to me via phone that I can only take a CELTA course once I finished degree studies, which Im not prepared to wait for, so this summer walla INTESOL 150 horus 6 hours teach pract COT accreditation course in Prague from May till end of June. |
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What was I saying about not knowing a damn thing? Oh yes, this was it:
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Am I eligible to apply?
Ideally you should:
have a standard of education equivalent to that required for entry into higher education
be aged 20 or over
have a standard of English which will enable you to teach at a range of levels
Centres may still accept you if you do not have formal qualifications at this level but can demonstrate that you would be likely to complete the course successfully. Some centres may, at their discretion, accept applicants aged between 18 and 20. |
http://www.cambridgeesol.org/teaching/celta.htm
Perhaps the centre which refused you did so because you're a nutter? And the centre which has accepted you is more interested in your money than making you a good teacher? Why you want to spend �880 on a course from INTESOL when you could spend �640 on a CELTA is quite beyond me. Just wait until you are old enough to do the CELTA. You won't be starting your career as a teacher until you graduate anyway. Just relax, finish your degree, do a CELTA and then get a job. |
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Alex Shulgin
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| paulmanser wrote: |
A decent TEFL qualification yes. No offence to anyone but I would never touch TEFL international.
CELTA
TRINITY
COLLEGE OF TEACHERS
are the big 3 in my opinion and all 3 are recognised by the British council. To be given aTEFL certifictae without accred by these 3 seems worthless and crappy looking. Celta for cambridge, TRINITY for oxford and COLLEGE OF TEACHERS for its ROYAL CHARTER mark since 1849 and overal professional. |
Yes that is your opinion and it is the opinion of somebody who clearly doesn't know a damn thing about TEFL.
FYI: TEFL international is the biggest TEFL course provider in the world. TEFL international used to run Trinity courses but split off from Trinity and still keep the same high standards that they had when a Trinity centre.
| paulmanser wrote: |
| The ONLY reaosn why I never decided to do TRINITY/CELTA and thats ebcause im a current university stduent and said to me via phone that I can only take a CELTA course once I finished degree studies, which Im not prepared to wait for, so this summer walla INTESOL 150 horus 6 hours teach pract COT accreditation course in Prague from May till end of June. |
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What was I saying about not knowing a damn thing? Oh yes, this was it:
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Am I eligible to apply?
Ideally you should:
have a standard of education equivalent to that required for entry into higher education
be aged 20 or over
have a standard of English which will enable you to teach at a range of levels
Centres may still accept you if you do not have formal qualifications at this level but can demonstrate that you would be likely to complete the course successfully. Some centres may, at their discretion, accept applicants aged between 18 and 20. |
http://www.cambridgeesol.org/teaching/celta.htm
Perhaps the centre which refused you did so because you're a nutter? And the centre which has accepted you is more interested in your money than making you a good teacher? Why you want to spend �880 on a course from INTESOL when you could spend �640 on a CELTA is quite beyond me. Just wait until you are old enough to do the CELTA. You won't be starting your career as a teacher until you graduate anyway. Just relax, finish your degree, do a CELTA and then get a job. |
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paulmanser
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| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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INTESOL are legit actually incase your wondering or going against.
refused for being a nutter? lol ok now your being immature. I think getting a CELTA has to be much harder than getting a average TESOL from maybe a UK university?
I do KNOW a damn thing about TEFL by the way. Clearly I dont know as much as you do cos your a pro most likely and been a TEFL teacher for years.
Cant really be arsed to argue with invalid ppl. Research INTESOL before you start ripping them if I were you ebcause clearly you havent researched yet. |
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