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grahamb



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Far East, man Reply with quote

The Cubans do a lot of trade with China, Guy. They import cheap rice and sell their own stuff for hard currency.
When the Soviet Union went under and the economy took a nosedive, the Cubans imported about a million bicycles from China to ease the public transport problem.
I'm going over there in a couple of weeks. This time I'm going to hire a car - no more camellos!
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed a lot of Chinese content on Cuban TV while there.

Have a great trip!
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grahamb



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Chinese content on Cuban TV Reply with quote

You mean they found space between broadcasting Fidel and soap operas??? Things are changing!
I hope to take in a couple of baseball games before the season ends.
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RyanS



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't get to watch TV, there was no TV in my hotel.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: No TV Reply with quote

You didn't miss much, Ryan. Unless of course you're a fan of the Australian children's programme "Skippy", a relic from the 60s.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chinese content TV was actually quite interesting. Some of it was English language news based out of Hong Kong (I think), some was Chinese language news, and then there several different shows to teach Chinese.

The rest was news about a West Virginia mine disaster and endless replays of Evo Morales' trip to Cuba. I didn't spend much time watching tv, but we had one day of miserable cold weather so I stayed in bed late one morning. No skippy I'm afraid.

In the hotel bar, and in several restaurants I went to, I saw that US tv channels were common fare. Pirated cable/satellite or free broadcast channels....I couldn't tell the difference.
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tesolitis



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:56 pm    Post subject: cuba secret visit Reply with quote

I discussed the Cuba in-out while in Costa Rica 2006 where there are quite a number emigrated bushnolikes. The trick is thought to run like this:
You have an exit stamp from some country and quite later on an immigration stamp from a different country.
Now try to prove to starsandstripes that you were NOT in Cuba inbetween. Difficult if the two stamps are from the region.

Don't terrorize a u.s. immigrations guy with your smile unless you are a terr...itorial stranger.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Now try to prove to starsandstripes that you were NOT in Cuba inbetween.


There was, of course, a time when I would have felt bound to argue that it's "innocent till proven guilty," and that it would be up to them to prove that you had been to Cuba. Now, I'm not so naive.

I think that's one reason that going from Mexico is popular. They don't always stamp US passports, or at least didn't when last I was there. So if you cross a land border into Mex, fly to Cuba, fly back to Mex, and shuffle across the land border again...at least there was a time when you could do this without leaving a mark in your passport.

Some countries in the Carribean region are known for corruption, so you might take the route of bribing a border official to either "post date" your exit stamp, or predate your entry stamp. This sounds highly illegal, of course, and I'm not recommending it. (Wouldn't even know anything about it.) But it might work.

Not all countries even exit stamp your passport- entering Cuba from one of them might relieve some stress, as then your next entrance stamp would look immediate.

Any of you Americans out there been to Cuba? And what was your procedure?

Justin
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not the American you want to answer your question, but the procedure for me from Mexico was easy. I had to have the travel agent get the initial visa, which is a simple little card slipped into your passport. When you get to Cuba, they stamp it. When you leave, they take it away. No stamps on the passport, and I didn't have to ask them to not stamp it.

Mexico doesn't exit stamp your pasport at all.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're the perfect American for the job, Guy. You have nothing to lose, so you can get out there and be the guinea pig for those of us who are citizens of the evil empire!

Justin
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RyanS



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The case of the false Cuban political exiles
by Salim Lamrani*
During the World Social Forum of Caracas, Salim Lamrani used the Cuban example, which he has thoroughly studied, to show how the alternative media can act against the lies of US propaganda. That is possible to achieve by mobilizing the means necessary to carry out comparative research to place the facts in their context.

Thanks to the control achieved by information transnationals , the world elites imposed on humanity a vision of reality that is very limited to a given ideological framework. These set doctrine barriers aimed at marginalizing any alternative thinking that may question the good reasons of the current world order. That is, the role of the media is not that of providing the people with objective information but defending the social, economic and political order that has been set using effective means such as propaganda, disinformation and censorship.

The role of the alternative media consists of being a barrier against the manipulation of reality. There is a classic example that should be studied in all research centres that study disinformation due to its unimaginable level of sophistication. It is the case of Cuba, unique given the huge difference between the ideological image portrayed by western media outlets and the reality of that country. The media intoxication of the Cuban issue is so effective that it has even contaminated progressive sectors of the developed world.
The case of Cuban immigration into the United States

Although there are many examples, one is enough to show the level of disinformation organized by international media outlets. The migratory argument is frequently used to stigmatize the Cuban revolutionary process. It is said that the �large� number of Cubans who have emigrated to the United States is evidence of the lack of legitimacy of the Cuban government.

Most international media outlets use this argument without really analyzing the phenomenon. Oddly enough, statistics about Cuban immigration into the United States from 1820 to 2003, that is, more than 18 decades, are available [1]. Then, why don�t they base their assertion about Cuban immigration on accurate comparative figures between the pre-revolutionary period and today? What principle is being used to renounce a comparison between the Latin American and Cuban migratory phenomena in order to clarify this controversial debate?

The international media carefully avoids a detailed analysis of the Cuban immigration into the United States. Certainly, of course, they are afraid that their conclusions drawn from US immigration data may contradict their assertion and may bring to light its deceitful and ideological nature.
Massive migration before 1959

Before the overthrow of dictator Fulgencio Batista in 1959, the flow of immigrants from Cuba to the United States was bigger than that of Central and South America together. Cuban immigration was even more important than that from Africa and Oceania combined and higher than demographic giants like China, India, Iran, Turkey, Pakistan and Indonesia.
Special legislation to encourage migration

In 1966, the US Congress passed the Cuban Adjustment Act that grants permanent residence to any Cuban citizen who arrives in the United States legally or illegally. This law aims at encouraging illegal migration using it as a political weapon against the Cuban government. This law is also accompanied by a brutal economic war implemented by the United States against Cuba since 1960 and which greatly affects the population and is another factor that encourages illegal migration.
1993 and the �Special Period�

It is important to make a stop in 1993. It was the worst moment of the Special Period. In effect, in 1991, when the Soviet Union collapsed, Cubans were still able to, to a certain degree, benefit from their trade with the Eastern bloc. In 1992, the national reserves allowed them to solve the first problems. But, in 1993, there was nothing left.
It would not be a surprise to find out that 1993 was a year of massive immigration into the United States, given the geopolitical and economic situation that Cuba had to face. However, that was not the case. In effect, there were only 13,666 immigrants in 1993 compared to 17,156 from Canada, 17,241 from Jamaica, 26,818 from El Salvador � the double � 45,420 from the Dominican Republic � triple � and 126,561 from Mexico, that is, ten times more than from Cuba. That means that in 1993 Cuba occupied only the sixth place among Latin American countries as to immigration into the United States.
1994 and the wave of �rafters�

As to 1994, it was an important year due to the wave of �rafters�, name given to the Cubans who tried to emigrate using rafts or improvised boats. Those events were widely spread and politicized by the international media to the extent that they were giving the impression that all Cubans were trying to leave the island. What was the reality?

In 1994,there were only 14,727 immigrants, behind Canada (16,068), Salvador (17,644), Dominican Republic (51,189) � three times that of Cuba � and Mexico (111,398). Cuba placed fifth among Latin American countries as to immigration into the United States.
Current emigration

It is interesting to carry out a migratory balance based on the latest statistics. In 2003, there were only 9,304 illegal departures to the northern neighbor, thus placing tenth in Latin America behind Peru (9,444), Canada (11,446), Haiti (12,314), Jamaica (13,384), Guatemala (14,415), Colombia (14,777), Dominican Republic (26,205), Salvador (28,296) and Mexico (115,864). That is, Cuba went from the second place in 1959 to the tenth in 2003.
Politicization of the migratory issue

Oddly enough, the other nations� migration has never been given a political nature. For example, in 2003, El Salvador, a country of 5,75 million inhabitants � half the population of Cuba � had three times more immigrants into the United States than Cuba. However, nobody has ever used this element to accuse the Salvadoran government of being totalitarian. Similarly, the Dominican Republic, with only 8,5 million inhabitants, also had three times more immigrants than Cuba. Jamaica, with barely 2.6 million inhabitants, that is, four times less than Cuba, had more illegal departures to the United States than Cuba, like also Haiti, which has a population of 6.8 million inhabitants. And let us add that in the case of the countries mentioned above, there is not any US adjustment laws and that they are not suffering any economic sanctions. In spite of that, nobody has dared to use the argument of migration to describe the authorities of those countries as dictatorial regimes.

All this shows that the migratory argument is not valid in trying to present Cuba as a country whose people are trying to flee. In spite of everything, the western media continues to use it, thus showing that they only aim at ideologically stigmatizing the country.

Salim Lamrani
French researcher at the University of Sorbonne, specialised in the US-Cuba relations.
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Intervention in the World Social Forum on January 27, 2006, about the role of alternative media in the preservation memory.

[1] All statistics about Cuban and world immigration from 1820 to 2003 come from the Office of Immigration Statistics, �2003 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics�, U.S. Department of Homeland Security, September 2004, pp. 12-14
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll agree that the media is not to be trusted. Of course, nowadays, there are many more sources to get information. The best source is still first-hand...to go to Cuba and watch/listen to people complain about the place (except around other Cubans of course) or ask you to help them leave.

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It is interesting to carry out a migratory balance based on the latest statistics. In 2003, there were only 9,304 illegal departures to the northern neighbor, thus placing tenth in Latin America behind Peru (9,444), Canada (11,446), Haiti (12,314), Jamaica (13,384), Guatemala (14,415), Colombia (14,777), Dominican Republic (26,205), Salvador (28,296) and Mexico (115,864). That is, Cuba went from the second place in 1959 to the tenth in 2003.


Read another way, the Cuban government has gotten better at controlling the means by which people can leave. None of the other countries seek to prevent their people from leaving. It would also be important to know if the illegal departures came from those who arrived in the US legally and simply decided to stay, or if they entered illegally. The only way a Cuban can do that is by 'defecting', such as during international sporting events. When that happens, Cubans can take advantage of their special status - not granted to any other countries - in the 'wet foot/dry foot' policy. They are heavily favoured to e able to stay in that case.

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Oddly enough, the other nations� migration has never been given a political nature.


That would have to ignore the political climate in the US over the last 5 years, and particularly, the headlines of this past week.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Ryans- ENjoyed the article. CUban Immigration to the US, if it is to be understood at all, obviously has to be understood in light of the economic policies that affect the lives of the people in Cuba.

In terms of research methodology, I have to take issue with the comparison of Cuba to other countries using merely the raw data of numbers of immigrants. The author of your article makes much over the fact that other countries have larger numbers of immigrants to the US, and that's worth analyzing, but comparing raw numbers between Cuba and MExico is a little slanted, in my opinion. Cuba is a relatively small country, whereas Mexico is incredibly populous. It would be interesting to see the immigration figures expressed as a percentage of population, rather than as raw numbers, wouldn't it?

I suspect that this would tell a different tale- Not the tale the international media tells, which is of the illegitimacy of the Cuban government. But a tale of a people, suffering under a punitive trade embargo, who really are dissatisfied with their lot, and who immigrate for this reason.

Best regards,
Justin
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RyanS



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy, what has happened in the last 10 years that the Cuban government has been better at cracking down on emmigrants?

Justin, The article goes into that in the 2nd last paragraph.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure what's happened. I'm only pointing out that the stats are vague and don't really address causes.

If I were to guess, I suppose the withdrawal of Soviet funding would have generally impoverished the nation, leaving less means of escape (bribing your way out, paying for a boat, etc, etc). The virtual elimination of the black market in dollars might also be a cause but that's only a year old now.

When did the Cuban government toughen up their emigration requirements, adding that 5-year wait (or 2 years, depending on who you talk to)? I don't know if that's happened in the last 10 years or if it is older.

I also find it interesting that while Cuban emigration has dropped in relation to other countries, Cubans are the only community abroad that form organizations to seek change back in Cuba, of the countries you listed. Depsite the massive numbers from other countries, no other group organizes in such a way so as to affect US policy so much.
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