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Al Yamamah College
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cam



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean they expected you to arrange your visa on your own? What kind of help should they provide for the medical?
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Desert Storm



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found Interlink to be among the most professional here is Saudi. They're as good as it gets in the Gulf and it's because they seem to actually be wedded to the notion of academic achievement rather than to the number of zeros in their bank account. I would call them 'new age' in the sense that what they are attempting to do is unprecedented here is Saudi. They are trying to get young Saudi students to take ownership of their learning and education. Arab culture has spent centuries learning by rote memorization. This new Interlink approach will help develop them into critical thinkers.

I also found that the administration was quite reasonable
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Desertstorm's first post.

And it is in fulsome praise of an employer no one else has ever heard of.

Maybe I have been in the Middle East for too long but I am suspicious !
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Desert Storm



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47,

I may be a newcomer to the forum but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm uninformed. I also didn't know it was obligatory to give full length bio on where I've taught and who I've worked for in the Middle East in order readers to appreciate my opinion. Since you must know, I have frequented this forum for almost three years now and have benefitted tremendously from the input of its writers, including yourself mr. scot47. Having been in KSA for two years now I think it's perfectly fine for me to give my two cents.


I would not call what I said a 'fulsome praise'. In my experience with my school's administration and corresponding with other employers I have found Interlink to be among the most professional. What is suspicious about that?

They have answered phone calls and returned emails...a simple practice yet many employers in the Kingdom are deficient in doing (ie. Taibah Univ.) I have had correspondence with the President of the organization in Colorado and he seems like a very honest and dedicated man. With many schools and language institutes here in the Gulf, it seems that MONEY is the only focus, whereas I didn't get that impression from Interlink. They seem to be genuinely interested in students taking ownership of their learning.

Many of the posts related to the position are helpful, especially in regards to the lack of financial support for children (no allowance for children schooling). My post offered my general impression of them.

For those of you interested you can take it or leave it.

But I don't think I need to post some 3,000 posts (3,165 to be exact) for teachers to listen to an opinion.

Maybe if I did post that many, I might develop an air about myself too.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all have bad days. You will get over it.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Not a good salary? Reply with quote

menace2society32 wrote:
I guess I was wrong. I had considered $34,000 to be a very good salary. But after reading this thread, it seems that most of you would not consider working for Interlink/Al Yamamah.



Anytime you give people an opportunity to rant, they will take it. Don't read too much into it. Just make sure you also apply to King Saud University and similar institutions. It's better to be working directly for a university or for a Saudi government institute. They'll take better care of you.


menace wrote:
am now second guessing my prior decision to take a position.


Saudi is an interesting experience and now is a really interesting time to be here. Don't miss it.

menace wrote:
Can anyone tell me what is the minimum tests required for the medical exam in the states. They don't give much info on what specific tests are required. Also what type of hospital or clinic should I visit. I know prices can range, so I don't want to pay too much and I only want to take the minimum number of tests necessary.


You need to get the complete form from the embassy. What will end up costing you the most is the lab work. However, there are a couple of things on the form you can get away with omitting. There is a spot on the form for a stool sample to test for a couple of parasitic worms that exist in only a couple specific lakes in Africa. If you've never been there, there's no chance you have the parasite and you can get your doctor to check them off the list for you without paying for expensive lab work (and without having to crap in a tuppeware container).

Hope this helps,

jmsauer
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ootii



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Desertstorm's first post.

And it is in fulsome praise of an employer no one else has ever heard of.

Maybe I have been in the Middle East for too long but I am suspicious !


I applied to Yamama a couple of years ago but did not persue their offer since they would not match my current salary / benefits package at King Saud University.

I was attracted by the seriousness of their approach - they had not yet begun teaching then - and Desertstorm confirms my own impressions of them. They do indeed intend to develop independent learners at Yamama - it is a good strategy, if it works.

Unfortunately, undoing twelve years of downright counter productive "education" is a very tall order. I was taught "new math" at school in the 60s and I am still innumerate. Being forced to produce Kellog-Reed style sentence diagrams in the sixth grade completely destroyed any interest I might have had in grammar for the next twenty years and convinced me that I was "no good" at English.

In this sense, Saudi Arabia is not unique. I expect that it is a universal constant, those who survive K-12 can go on to higher education. It's really a kind of hazing.

If I were admissions officer, I'd throw out all secondary school exam results and admit people based on a combination of psychological profiles and shoe sizes - that would make just about as much sense as the current "system" which actually rewards an absence of thought.

So, I'm rooting for Yamama, and if they wake up and pay for the kind of teachers they say that they need, I'll go. Until then, you'll find me in the cabbage patch.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:17 am    Post subject: Re: Not a good salary? Reply with quote

jmsauer wrote:
It's better to be working directly for a university or for a Saudi government institute. They'll take better care of you.


I wouldn't quite put it like that. Generally, this is true. Private colleges have quite a few drawbacks, however, there are exceptions and Yamama, Dar al-Faisal, and Prince Sultan University are probably exceptions.

The government job can be good if you just want to tottle along quietly doing your own thing and get your check, like clockwork, once a month. Holidays are long, responsibilities are few, and in the end, if you are in a huge institution, you more or less vanish. You often do not even have a "boss".

No one cares what you do, so long as you show up more or less on time, more or less regularly - and students will love you so long as you are willing to negotiate, to look the other way, and to give them the marks that they need, for whatever purpose.

But if you're really interested in your job, interested in teaching and in making some kind of difference, well, maybe the government job isn't for you after all.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what's the scene like at present with al yamma/interlink? I've been offered a position but reading all these things is making me scared.

Any help?

Cheers,
Floydrules
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My advice is do not go to Al Yamamah.
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The Lathe of Heaven



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. D. P. that does the hiring at Yomama has a BA himself. But insists on an MA for everyone else. Maybe he should fire himself first before insisting that everyone that works there to have MAs.

If you go there watch out for this snake. Don't mention your credentials in detail let him research them, since he has only a BA and doesn't deserve the respect of MA applicants. He didn't like my MA TESOL because I did part of it through distance learning. Well why doesn't he just take two years out of his lucrative career at YO MAMA and get his own fully on site MA, that seems more and more unlikely for the baby boomer generation that have already commited to jobs and can't take that kind of time off.

Regards

TLOH
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I detect cynicism in the last post...I can't put my finger on it, but I believe that it's there...

NCTBA
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The Lathe of Heaven



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You detect right.

TLOH
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Citizenkane



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mr. D. P. that does the hiring at Yomama has a BA himself. But insists on an MA for everyone else. Maybe he should fire himself first before insisting that everyone that works there to have MAs.


Maybe he's doing just that!

"Mr DP" is leaving Al Yam shortly. Nobody seems to know if he's doing so of his own accord or has been asked to leave, but there are rumours that the new president noted his lack of MA and, in Al Yam's drive for recognition as an 'accredited university', decided he was not appropriate in the position of department head.

In my opinion, MR DP's lack of academic credentials are the least of his faults. I always found him completely lacking in character and judgement, and though I personally had no problems with him, he played very unfairly with a few respected colleagues of mine. Trouble is from what I've also heard, those lined up to replace him are very similar - seems that displaying a lack of personality and morals is the way to get promoted at Al Yam.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
"Mr DP" is leaving Al Yam shortly.


Confirmation - He's already a past now.
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