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kent Curlee
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 Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject: advice on visa/entering china |
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| Does the China Embassy require you to have a round trip ticket to get an F visa? The china teaching...the network screwed me and now with my money is limited and I need to get into China as cheap as possible. Currently I am in Bangkok. The new job prospect has given me a letter to get a F visa, but I really don't want to spend money on airfare I will not use. Suggestions...please. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: advice on visa/entering china |
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| kent Curlee wrote: |
| Does the China Embassy require you to have a round trip ticket to get an F visa? |
You don't need a round trip ticket but technically you need proof of outbound travel.
The requirement for an outbound ticket is three fold:
1. Sometimes the visa office will require proof of outbound travel before they will issue a visa for travel here. Sometimes they won't;
2. Sometimes the airline staff at check in will require that you produce proof of outbound travel within your visa period or they will refuse to let you check in until such time as you make arrangements for outbound travel. Sometimes they won't;
3. Sometimes the immigration officers at the Chinese airport that you arrive at will check to see if you have booked outbound travel within the visa period. Sometimes they won't.
As you can see there is no one correct answer to your question. Many people will report that they have arrived here without a worry on a one way ticket, but then there are also some people who have been forced to purchase outbound carriage at the last minute which can be expensive. Personally, in order to avoid any further unfortunate surprises, my recommendation would be to invest in an outbound ticket to Hong Kong. You may need it for a visa run anyway, but if you don't then you can always cash it in for a small loss.
| kent Curlee wrote: |
| The china teaching...the network screwed me and now with my money is limited and I need to get into China as cheap as possible. |
These guys have a very good reputation. Your post seems to suggest that because of this company you are now short of cash. Can you take a moment to explain exactly what happened that made this company responsible for the fact that you are currently short of cash?
| kent Curlee wrote: |
| Currently I am in Bangkok. The new job prospect has given me a letter to get a F visa, but I really don't want to spend money on airfare I will not use. Suggestions...please. |
I don't know that coming to China with very little in the way of funds is really a good idea. People who come here in such circumstances tend to find themselves stuck with less than desirable situations which they have no choice but to accept. If the job that you have found is offering you an F visa then it is highly likely that it is not a legal position.
It seems to me that you may be putting yourself behind the eight ball if you come to China to accept an illegal position at late notice and without adequate emergency funds nor a flight out of here should things turn sour. |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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If you are in Thailand I don't think you will have any difficulty at all.
I flew Thai Air once and there was never a question from their staff or Thai customs about my intentions of entering or leaving Thailand. |
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kent Curlee
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:07 am Post subject: the network |
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Thanks for the advice and the answers to my question. The reason for the move is that I am having to work way too many hours in Bangkok to enjoy Thailand. I can have more luxuries in China actually without having to work 6-7 days a week as I am now doing. It would be nice to have hot water and a washing machine.
Now to answer the question about the network. I researched them and found all but one post favorable. Everything went great up until they stopped communicating. I signed a contract and faxed it. I had a medical done for them and faxed that. They sent me a nice email commenting on me being professional in getting all the items they wanted sent etc. The email went on to say that I should bring several gifts to give to the higher ups. They felt this was a custom and it should be something from your home country. I told them I was not going to bring any wood carvings of elephants or candle holders that it was not in my budget. After that I did not recieve any kind of email what so ever. Never a screw you or you have a bad attitude etc. In the mean time I have given up my 1 on 1 classes and a kids class expecting to be gone soon. It is better if you can give the school some kind of notice. Without them telling me anything it basically has me here not earning a penny waiting on them to answer an email. Their last correspondence to me was on March 7th or 8th. I am not going to let it stop me or sit around pissed off, but it will stay with me as to not trust a recruiter.
Thanks again
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Roger
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It's totally new for me to hear that China visitors need a round trip ticket because the Chinese authorities can never be made to foot the bill for your repatriation, and it's not advisable to live on the rough in this country...
I don't want to contradict Clark but what he is saying is virtually never enforced. My advice is that you should only come to China if you can afford it! |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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I believe that the guys from the network check out this board every now and again so hopefully they will weigh into this.
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| It's totally new for me to hear that China visitors need a round trip ticket because the Chinese authorities can never be made to foot the bill for your repatriation, and it's not advisable to live on the rough in this country... |
Actually most countries protect themselves by enacting immigration legislation that puts the responsibility of the costs onto the carrier who brings you here if you are a tourist; or your employer if you are working here. This is why airlines can refuse to check you in as they don't want to accept responsibility for carriage back out again if you don't have an outbound ticket.
Check out this article about the situation in Taiwan and you will likely find that China is in a similar situation.
| Roger wrote: |
| I don't want to contradict Clark but what he is saying is virtually never enforced. My advice is that you should only come to China if you can afford it! |
Actually I don't disagree with you Roger. My information is more based on the theory and the legislation than actual practice. In making the point I was trying to point out that given the choice you are probably best to secure an outbound ticket to ensure trouble free travel here. |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe that the guys from the network check out this board every now and again so hopefully they will weigh into this. |
how do you know this Clark - how close are your links with recruiters/ schools - does this closeness in any way color the advice you give to us ordinary Joe FT's  |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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| how close are your links with recruiters/ schools - does this closeness in any way color the advice you give to us ordinary Joe FT's |
In the case of this company - I have no links with them whatsoever. I know of them, and have spoken with them, but I don't work for them nor have I ever received a cent from them. I am sure that if they do comment here then they will confirm this. I have no bias here toward them nor toward the foreign teacher in this case - I just prefer to hear both sides of the story.
Do you have a problem with companies responding to comments that are made about them on a public forum? I don't and in fact I would like to see more of it. In cases where a teacher was genuinely wronged this would become even more evident as the schools would end up digging a deeper hole for themselves. In cases where the teacher had only presented one side of the story however the school would be able to fill in the gaps and we would all be the better for this.
Hearing both sides of the story enables us to make an informed decision. Hearing one side of the story leads to bias. I have a suspicion that you vikdk prefer bias as it helps you justify your own dissatisfaction with a couple of schools in China that you have dealt with. It is your right to choose to be a 'blindman' but please don't assume that we all want to be.
Now vikdk - What do you have to say about the topic of this thread - visas? |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| In the case of this company - I have no links with them whatsoever. I know of them, and have spoken with them, |
speeking to them seems like a bit of a link to me  I don't really know why companies/recruiters/schools need to participate here when they have the likes of you constantly speeking up for them |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| vikdk wrote: |
| speeking to them seems like a bit of a link to me |
By that logic speaking of them would be an equally tentative link. So therefore you have a link to this company also 
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| I don't really know why companies/recruiters/schools need to participate here when they have the likes of you constantly speeking up for them |
I will always speak up for good schools and recruiters. I believe that we should all support these companies and I am not afraid to do so.
For years teachers have criticised bad schools and recruiters but nothing has changed. I believe that a change in the way we get the word out as far as promoting good schools over bad ones could be just the ticket to forcing bad schools into line. I welcome any constructive comments on alternative solutions to this problem.
Let me ask you a direct question on this vikdk. What specific reasons do you have for suggesting that 'the network' is an organization not worthy of our support? |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| network never heard of them - just know about you, and wondering when your going to speak up for some of us ordinary Joe FT's over the interests of the likes of your network friends |
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kent Curlee
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:02 am Post subject: Thanks for the advice |
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Well to let somebody know how it is China. I ended up with a really good school. The pay was better than I expected. They pay you earlier in the month for the whole month. The other teachers are friendly and helpful in and out of the classroom. There is a luxury place that the teachers can go to workout, swim, badminton, tennis, and bowl etc. A really nice feature to keep you entertained.
After being in Bangkok,,, this is like heaven. Only working 72 hours a month, full board in a one bedroom with a small kitchen etc.
No visa problems on getting into the country or the airfare. Took a flight on Air Asia to Macau from Bangkok for 2,950 baht.. the border crossing was very easy there also.
Kent |
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