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Reisender
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| He's probably come to the wrong place if he wants cowboys. Perhaps Fuzz should stay home, download Brokeback Mountain, make himself a daiquiri and swap travel stories on an IRC travel channel while he's waiting. |
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Currawong
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
I have seen these types before. College frat kids who come over for a year and teach at NOVA to pay off their loans. Sit through eight hours of eikaiwa lessons and then chill out by heading to the nearest Starbucks or Hard Rock cafe. Go home to their one-room NOVA apartment and English speaking room-mates. Spend the whole time in japan in a NOVA-ECC-GEOS gaijin-bubble without learning a stick of Japanese and is here to pay off student loans, get laid and laugh at his students English. As soon as they meet a long-term foreigner who speaks the language or tries to avoid these gaijin frat pack cowboys they are called "wannabes", a kind of gaijin "Uncle Tom" who has gone over to the other side.
Long term expats with an interest in the country and people who pay his salary and keep him employed are 'snot-faced'. No wonder eikaiwas are in the toilet when they have white-trash like this one calling themselves teachers. |
It's worse when you meet one of these types who's been doing it for years, and STILL can't speak Japanese, let alone comprehend the culture. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| Currawong wrote: |
| It's worse when you meet one of these types who's been doing it for years, and STILL can't speak Japanese, let alone comprehend the culture. |
Sounds like a lot of NOVA AAMs I know. |
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Jazz1975
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
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Location: Zama, Kanagawa
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
I have seen these types before. College frat kids who come over for a year and teach at NOVA to pay off their loans. Sit through eight hours of eikaiwa lessons and then chill out by heading to the nearest Starbucks or Hard Rock cafe. Go home to their one-room NOVA apartment and English speaking room-mates. Spend the whole time in japan in a NOVA-ECC-GEOS gaijin-bubble without learning a stick of Japanese and is here to pay off student loans, get laid and laugh at his students English. As soon as they meet a long-term foreigner who speaks the language or tries to avoid these gaijin frat pack cowboys they are called "wannabes", a kind of gaijin "Uncle Tom" who has gone over to the other side.
Long term expats with an interest in the country and people who pay his salary and keep him employed are 'snot-faced'. No wonder eikaiwas are in the toilet when they have white-trash like this one calling themselves teachers. |
Lol @ Reisander. You're too much  . Here's how I see it. If I'm successful in coming over to Japan through any of the big 4 eikawas, I'll be picking up and leaving my life in Toronto behind for at least a year. Therefore, I will naturally want to do some of the same things I did back home which is why I asked if anyone knew about the salsa scene in Japan. That said, I refuse to live in a "gaijin bubble". It totally defeats the purpose of coming over to Japan in the first place. Mind you, my closest friends may end up being expats like myself, but that does NOT mean I refuse to mingle with the locals. As for the culture, I totally want to absorb myself in it and do things like kimono dressing (I'm fascinated by the geisha culture), tea ceremony, soak in the hot springs, attend the many festivals that take place during the year and try the many culinary delights Japan has to offer (I'm a foodaholic). When in Rome, do as the Romans do and when in Japan, do as the Japanese do. 'Nuff said. I do have debts to pay off, but that is NOT why I want to come to Japan.
Paul, thanks again for the link to the salsa scene. I found a place where I can get my Friday night "fix" (that's my designated night for salsa. I also do Tuesdays if I'm not too tired). I also know about the Tokyo Salsa Congress. I didn't find any dance studios or instructors that offer lessons, but I can easily ask the clubs for that information or find it myself on the internet. Club lessons are great when you're starting out imo, but since I've done it for three years, I'll need more than that. Btw: Do you salsa by any chance? If not, you should start; you don't know what you're missing  . |
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shikushiku-boy
Joined: 09 Mar 2006
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Location: Melbourne
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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I worked in a Chinese city that had very exclusive (i.e. expensive)
�Japanese only� bars. They featured Japanese music, beer, sake, food,
and Japanese speaking staff. No doubt, after a hard day working on
Sino-Japanese trade, these salary-men liked to relax with their
fellow country men, sing a little karaoke, drink a little asahi super dry,
and swap tall tales about golf. Nothing wrong with that I hear you cry?
Well, I agree with you. It wouldn�t surprise me in the least if there were
similar establishments in most of the worlds major capitals.
I wonder if PAULH would call these Japanese salary-men (who just seek
the company of their fellow country men, after a hard days work) �yellow-trash�? |
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angrysoba
Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: Kansai, Japan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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| shikushiku-boy wrote: |
I worked in a Chinese city that had very exclusive (i.e. expensive)
�Japanese only� bars. They featured Japanese music, beer, sake, food,
and Japanese speaking staff. No doubt, after a hard day working on
Sino-Japanese trade, these salary-men liked to relax with their
fellow country men, sing a little karaoke, drink a little asahi super dry,
and swap tall tales about golf. Nothing wrong with that I hear you cry?
Well, I agree with you. It wouldn�t surprise me in the least if there were
similar establishments in most of the worlds major capitals.
I wonder if PAULH would call these Japanese salary-men (who just seek
the company of their fellow country men, after a hard days work) �yellow-trash�? |
Nothing wrong with that?
Except for being elitist and explicitly racist, 'Japanese only' bars are bad enough if they exist in Japan. But to go to another country and not allow your hosts through the door is totally unacceptable.
I remember once going to the Hub in Kyoto and seeing that gaijin were given a discount on pints of beer whereas Japanese had to pay full price. This too is explicitly racist. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| shikushiku-boy wrote: |
I wonder if PAULH would call these Japanese salary-men (who just seek
the company of their fellow country men, after a hard days work) �yellow-trash�? |
I dont think Japanese companies send yellow trash to go and work for their companies in China. Most are middle management on executive pay packages.
The white trash that comes over here (poverty-line broke economic migrants chasing an easy paycheck) holds a diploma mill degree, doesnt even know how to speak or articulate their own language properly, much less knows how to teach it properly to the locals and they still think they are back in the local pool bar in Arkansas. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| angrysoba wrote: |
I remember once going to the Hub in Kyoto and seeing that gaijin were given a discount on pints of beer whereas Japanese had to pay full price. This too is explicitly racist. |
Is hiring barely literate foreign graduates with a BA to teach English but not an experienced Japanese English speaker or a highly educated Asian with 600 in the TOEFL racist too? Sometimes I think this society gives the white English speaker too many breaks.
They call it affirmative action in America. |
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Jazz1975
Joined: 14 Feb 2006
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Location: Zama, Kanagawa
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:40 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
| Sometimes I think this society gives the white English speaker too many breaks. |
Agreed. I've never had the privilege of being white to fall back on  . |
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angrysoba
Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: Kansai, Japan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
| angrysoba wrote: |
I remember once going to the Hub in Kyoto and seeing that gaijin were given a discount on pints of beer whereas Japanese had to pay full price. This too is explicitly racist. |
Is hiring barely literate foreign graduates with a BA to teach English but not an experienced Japanese English speaker or a highly educated Asian with 600 in the TOEFL racist too? Sometimes I think this society gives the white English speaker too many breaks.
They call it affirmative action in America. |
The point is that bar prices shouldn't discriminate against Japanese. It also discriminates against other Asians who live in Japan and look Japanese. Do they have to prove their nationality by showing their gaijin card? |
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Jazz1975
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| angrysoba wrote: |
| It also discriminates against other Asians who live in Japan and look Japanese. Do they have to prove their nationality by showing their gaijin card? |
I sure as hell hope I don't have to. It's none of their goddamned business.  . |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: |
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| angrysoba wrote: |
| The point is that bar prices shouldn't discriminate against Japanese. It also discriminates against other Asians who live in Japan and look Japanese. Do they have to prove their nationality by showing their gaijin card? |
It costs men 1,000 yen more than women if I want to get into a nightclub. Do I feel discriminated against because im a man?
I was about to post a link to the Okayama villas where registratiion is only available to foreign nationals and their Japanese guests. Japanese can not apply to stay there by themselves. Is that discrimination too? |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| angrysoba wrote: |
| The point is that bar prices shouldn't discriminate against Japanese. It also discriminates against other Asians who live in Japan and look Japanese. Do they have to prove their nationality by showing their gaijin card? |
What if you are like Debito Arudo who has to show his passport to prove he's not a gaijin foreign national?
Is it so bad for an Asian American to have to prove they are not Japanese? |
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Jazz1975
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
| Is it so bad for an Asian American to have to prove they are not Japanese? |
It depends. If I clearly cannot speak the language, I have no problem "proving" I'm not Japanese. But my gaijin card is just that: Mine. And I don't feel like I need to show it to others to justify myself. |
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angrysoba
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Location: Kansai, Japan
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| PAULH wrote: |
| angrysoba wrote: |
| The point is that bar prices shouldn't discriminate against Japanese. It also discriminates against other Asians who live in Japan and look Japanese. Do they have to prove their nationality by showing their gaijin card? |
It costs men 1,000 yen more than women if I want to get into a nightclub. Do I feel discriminated against because im a man?
I was about to post a link to the Okayama villas where registratiion is only available to foreign nationals and their Japanese guests. Japanese can not apply to stay there by themselves. Is that discrimination too? |
Of course it's discrimination, what else can you call it?
It seems a little strange that you issuing challenges at me like this Paul when I am in agreement with you. You said white English speakers get given too many breaks in Japan and I pointed out an example of where white English speakers get given a break (along with other gaijin) at the expense of Japanese.
I think that applies in the case of Okayama villas too where Japanese are not allowed in unescorted. It seems somewhat reminiscent of the British raj where Indians weren't allowed into gentlemen's clubs.
Anyway, please do show the link. |
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