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What happens after NOVA asks for a background check?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazz1975 wrote:
Although, I'm not sure that I'll flog the fact that I don't speak Japanese on my application to NOVA. That's just a personal choice. Good thing it's not a job requirement-I was actually quite relieved when I first found out about it. They'll probably just see me as a "Canadian-born gaijin" despite my Asian features Laughing .


You will understand this better when you get here, but there are several reasons Japanese is not sought by employers, even though you will be surrounded by it.

1. Students are paying big money to speak English with you in a NOVA lesson. they dont want to hear pidgin Japanese coming out of a foreign mouth, but you are paid to get students to speak English.

2. Japanese comes into its own when teaching kids or extremely low-level or extremely nervous beginners but you should only get a few of those. When I was at NOVA I had an elderly woman who could not even read the ABCs and I was teaching her English from scratch. Half the lesson was in my broken Japanese (2nd year in Japan) as she spoke NO English and had been at NOVA for six months.

3. Lastly, Japanese have a mental block about their own language and they simply believe Japanese is a uniquely difficult language, only Japanese can learn to speak it and many can t get their heads around a non-native person speaking and understanding Japanese. They dont expect you to speak a language that that believe is impossible for foreigners to learn, and mostly at work you'll be spoken to in English anyway.Its only when you get into university jobs or administration and management that some schools demand Japanese proficiency, not at the entry level, in the eikaiwas.

Depending on where you end up, you will find people have a stunned expression if you are a foreigner and speak Japanese to them, and they will respond in English. If you are Asian ( which can mean anything from Mongolian to Thai) you may have an easier time if they see Japanese coming out of an 'Asian' face as opposed to a white one. Its almost expected that Chinese and koreans can speak Japanese, but not caucasians. I speak Japanese (as part of my job, you might say) and you get some amused and surprised expressions on the faces of listeners. I had one incident the other day where I rang a publisher and spoke to the person in Japanese for several minutes before i realised he was a Brit. He said the only thing that gave me away was my perfect English pronunciation of the textbook while the rest was in Japanese.

Dont sweat not knowing Japanese, they are paying you to speak English and you have plenty of time to pick it up anyway when you deal with landlord, shopkeepers, train staff. Most office staff you deal with at language schools speak English.

PS If you have been following the other thread, the best way to learn Japanese is put a big wall between you and many of your monolingual NOVA co-workers. You will come across a lot of party frat boys, backpacker types just here for a good time. The best way to learn japanese is to strike out on your own and dont follow the NOVA expat crowd and English groupies that hang out with them.
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Jazz1975



Joined: 14 Feb 2006
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Location: Zama, Kanagawa

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
Dont sweat not knowing Japanese, they are paying you to speak English and you have plenty of time to pick it up anyway when you deal with landlord, shopkeepers, train staff. Most office staff you deal with at language schools speak English.

PS If you have been following the other thread, the best way to learn Japanese is put a big wall between you and many of your monolingual NOVA co-workers. You will come across a lot of party frat boys, backpacker types just here for a good time. The best way to learn japanese is to strike out on your own and dont follow the NOVA expat crowd and English groupies that hang out with them.


Wow, I can't believe I even gave you that idea Very Happy . To be quite honest with you, I'm not even breaking a sweat about not knowing Japanese. I already know that I can get around in English as there are many expats that live there plus the Japanese people are able to speak it somewhat. I also know about NOVA and the other schools wanting English specifically to be spoken. Learning Japanese is not even high on my priority list right now. I just want to get into Japan through an eikawa since that is really the only way I'll get in with minimal teaching experience.

Yes, I've been following the other thread and have posted my own thoughts on there as well. I plan to take on the best of both worlds, that is, hang out with the expats and the English groupies as we all speak the same language, yet spend some time with the locals as well. I don't believe in ignoring one group at the expense of another. Realistically, I may end up being closest with the expats due to the language barrier. That said, I'm not much into party frat boys. I was never into them in the first place. I'm not saying I never got hammered at frosh parties, but that was eons ago. My point? I am NOT above gettin' hammered with everyone, but I'm not much of a drinker by nature. The salsa scene is not very conducive to that.
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Apsara



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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Location: Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although this doesn't apply to Jazz1975 I wanted to say this because I often see the idea that Japanese ability will harm your chances of getting a job here.

Just in case there are people who have spent a lot of time and effort learning Japanese in their home country and are now thinking that their years of study will put them at a disadvantage when they are looking for a job in Japan, I learned Japanese at high school and university in NZ, total 8 years, and was hired not once but twice by Nova (first time on a WHV, then when I came back a few years later), and worked for various other companies after I left Nova. Never was I made to feel that my Japanese ability was a liability. Granted, I didn't exactly have native speaker fluency, but I could easily hold my own in a conversation, especially the second time round.

I was of course told at my training not to use Japanese in the classroom, but I was also selected by the Japanese staff to teach or do level checks with the really nervous or difficult students or the older ladies because of my ability- there are actually some students who say they want teachers who can speak some Japanese. Then again, a student complained about me once (just once in 6 years of eikaiwa) because I gave him the meaning of a word in Japanese instead of explaining it in English- I think I was tired and couldn't be bothered explaining what a "lawyer" was to someone who still had trouble with "is/are".

I also taught classes of mostly older women and men at culture centres around Tokyo, and it was totally necessary for me to be able to explain concepts to them in Japanese, in the case of the absolute beginners' class I taught almost entirely in Japanese, just the drills and practice were in English! So not all jobs fit into the NOVA/ Aeon/ Ecc etc mould.

And then of course there is the extreme usefulness of Japanese in one's day-to-day life here...

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maya.the.bee



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

viva manchvegas!!

to the OP - do you know of any japanese language classes offered over the summer in southern nh? i checked out unhm and a couple other places but no one has their summer schedules up yet. are you planning on taking an intro course before you head over to JP or just going cold turkey?

thanks in advance for any info.
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DarkMagus



Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maya.the.bee wrote:
viva manchvegas!!

to the OP - do you know of any japanese language classes offered over the summer in southern nh? i checked out unhm and a couple other places but no one has their summer schedules up yet. are you planning on taking an intro course before you head over to JP or just going cold turkey?

thanks in advance for any info.


What's up maya! Are you from NH or nearby? I'm not sure about Japanese classes in Southern, NH. I haven't heard any official word on whether I'm headed to Japan so I haven't started studying any Japanese yet. I'll probably try to memorize some of the basics of the written language and wait until I'm fully immersed before I start to learn the whole speaking bit. So yeah, mostly cold turkey. It'll be fun in a strange way... I just hope I can survive!
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