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guruengerish · Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 424 Location: Australia

So, I see that yet another EF school is wiping the teeny boppers and the geriatrics from their team of teachers.

" * Age between 22-30 years old "

It seems that discrimination is still strong in some countries Confused

gugelhupf · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 575 Location: Jabotabek

Considering a work visa can only (officially) be issued to a teacher aged 26 or over they seem to be quite optimistic. Either a) they have contacts in the Ministry, b) have no intention of getting a proper work visa for staff aged 22-25, or c) their staff don't generally stick around longer than 30 days anyway.

ls650 · Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia

ps2_machine · Joined: 29 Apr 2004 Posts: 22 Location: korea

I think they are.
I heard they even hire people who are not from a native English speaking country. Some branches normally get anyone they think can do the job, usually at a low price.

Surfgirlie · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:02 am Post subject:

I heard that some Efs even hire Indonesian and Dutch as 'native' English speakers. One school is even rumored to have a South African teacher there. Surprised

What's the deal with that?

papillon · Joined: 02 Feb 2006 Posts: 91

Perhaps it's because they are amazing teachers with a passion for working in the ESL arena. Skills can transcend racial barriers just as rules can be broken for a few rupiah.

Or is it cos's they're white and cheap? I had an English teacher mate of Indian descent, fully qualified to teach ESL who never got a job with EF Indonesia because of his skin colour.

Just remeber kids, according to the law of EF. White is right!

Salam · Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:08 am Post subject:

Can't really say that I agree with this. EF hire white teachers because when a local teacher covers even one class (due to sickness for instance), the school gets heaps of complaints from the parents. The parents (especially) are paying and wanting a white teacher, that is what they demand - or they'll go elsewhere. It is not EF's policy that "white is right", it is more that "white means we stay in business".

Want to complain about the situation, complain about the attitudes of the students and the parents, not the companies.

ls650 · Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia

guruengerish · Joined: 28 Mar 2004 Posts: 424 Location: Australia

Well, I've taught with a guy from Kenya in Indonesia; dark skin, excellent English and a good teacher. He was NOT employed by EF though.

Regarding South Africa, it is often listed as a 'permitted' country for teachers to come from.

gugelhupf · Joined: 24 Jan 2004 Posts: 575 Location: Jabotabek

The rules on 'permitted' countries are a bit vague, actually. For language schools the rules do seem to be very rigid - only UK, US, Canada, Aus and NZ. However, for a regular school such as a Nat Plus or International school other criteria may be used. It is possible to hire from outside the five permitted nations if the person you are hiring can be classed as an 'expert' and their job involves more than just classroom teaching. Such hirelings are likely to have masters in education and teaching licence, and probably have more sense than to apply for a job with the franchise chain in question.