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Fortigurn



Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

once again wrote:
So you state that you are almost completely ignorant about HK but:

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Thus far, I have no favourable impressions of HK.


Yes that's true. I don't have any favourable impressions of HK. I have been there three times, and I didn't receive any favourable impressions whatever.

But since I have only been three times, for a total of perhaps 96 hours (including sleeping time), I have to say I'm almost completely ignorant of the place. That's why I was asking questions.

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Feel free to pontificate on the meaning of "preformed" all you want, but all of these opinions and thoughts have come before you have lived here for any length of time and from an "almost complete ignorance" of HK and a few brief visits.

From this state of almost complete ignorance you have made judgements about the nature of HK people, the education system, your quality of life and the transport system.


I have expressed my opinion only of the public transport system, which I have actually experienced. I have said that (based on my personal experiences), there are other things I might anticipate on arrival, but that given my lack of real experience, 'I could be wrong'.

I don't see the need for people to get all aggressive about it.

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For most people the MTR is one of the BEST THINGS in HK.


Yes, I'm sure it is. That's not to say it will be the best thing for me.

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So if one of the best thing in HK is not to your liking, it is very possible that many other things will not meet to your liking also.


Well what's best for someone else might not be best for me. I might find some other thing in HK which is 'best' for me which no one thinks anything of. We're all different.
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newyorkbunny



Joined: 18 Jun 2005
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Location: Tottori

PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Fortigurn,

Thank you for posting those questions regarding HK. I'm not sure why others have taken such a mean-spirited stance - though forums like these tend to attract viciousness (which incidentally, does not reflect well on the posters). I really do think that many of these people have little control over their lives in general so to get their kicks/revenge by being mean here.

Anyway, I hope you have a great time in HK. Good on you for asking questions and trying to find out as much as possible.

Ignore the naysayers and enjoy!

newyorkbunny

ps. Australia is definitely unsafe at night and just because someone happened to walk through St Kilda and was not attacked does not mean it's a safe place.
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Fortigurn



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

newyorkbunny wrote:
Hi Fortigurn,

Thank you for posting those questions regarding HK. I'm not sure why others have taken such a mean-spirited stance - though forums like these tend to attract viciousness (which incidentally, does not reflect well on the posters). I really do think that many of these people have little control over their lives in general so to get their kicks/revenge by being mean here.


Well, I prefer to think that people just get over defensive about places they're accustomed to. People frequently express themselves out of character on forums, for whatever reason.

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Anyway, I hope you have a great time in HK. Good on you for asking questions and trying to find out as much as possible.

Ignore the naysayers and enjoy!


Thanks, I appreciate it. I'm visiting HK in late April, on my way to China, and hope to spend a little more time with some friends I have there. One thing I really do like about HK already is the great food - like Taipei, only even more cosmopolitan (and not too expensive).

Oh yes, and the HK public library (the main one, right in the city), is absolutely fantastic. Every time I have been to HK, I have spent from 2 to 4 hours there. It is one of the best public libraries I have ever visited (I worked in the information industry for 6 years before moving to teaching, so I know a good library when I see one).

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ps. Australia is definitely unsafe at night and just because someone happened to walk through St Kilda and was not attacked does not mean it's a safe place.


Having lived in three different states of Australia over 30 years, I can agree with this. The safest I ever felt was in Tasmania.
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Brooks



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Sagamihara

PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in Hong Kong last week for five days.
These are my thoughts:

The MTR is good, and I wish it was larger. I liked the train to the airport.
I got to check in my bags at Kowloon station.
But I wish that the cards could be used again, like in New York.

Some people on the train can`t stop talking on their phones. Some people had two cell phones, and some people look like they are talking to themselves but have an ear piece connect to their cell phone.

Hong Kong is a crowded, busy place. People live in high rises.
Parts of Kowloon look run down and dirty.

The food was good. My wife bought a lot of stuff but she thought she got ripped off, either at the Ladies Market or at the Temple street one.

Chinese people there were fine, but some Indians were so obnoxious.
No, I don`t want a fake watch. No, I don`t want a suit/tailor.
When walking around Nathan Road around Jordan and Tsim Sha Tsui stations it seemed that by just being a white guy, the Indians are going to start trying to sell something.

In terms of teaching, it seems there is opportunity. I think the future for Hong Kong looks good.
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anninhk



Joined: 08 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mustn't have had an Octopus card - the best thing about the transport system in Hong Kong. Costs $50 and can be used on all forms of transport apart from taxis and in shops such as the supermarkets, convenience stores and McDonalds etc. Really easy to top up and makes life so much easier.
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anninhk



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgot to say that you get the $50 back (or most of it) when you hand it in.
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Fortigurn



Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooks wrote:
I was in Hong Kong last week for five days.
These are my thoughts:

The MTR is good, and I wish it was larger. I liked the train to the airport.
I got to check in my bags at Kowloon station.


The train to the airport is most impressive. I loved it.

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But I wish that the cards could be used again, like in New York.


They can.

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Some people on the train can`t stop talking on their phones. Some people had two cell phones, and some people look like they are talking to themselves but have an ear piece connect to their cell phone.


You get people like that everywhere.

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Hong Kong is a crowded, busy place. People live in high rises.
Parts of Kowloon look run down and dirty.


Have big city, have big city problems.

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Chinese people there were fine, but some Indians were so obnoxious.

No, I don`t want a fake watch. No, I don`t want a suit/tailor.
When walking around Nathan Road around Jordan and Tsim Sha Tsui stations it seemed that by just being a white guy, the Indians are going to start trying to sell something.


I was physically dragged (and I do mean dragged, by the arm), into an Indian tailor's shop. I had 2 hours to catch a plane, and about HK$20. He didn't stand a chance.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anninhk,
for the Octopus card, is it only good for 3 days? Or, is it unlimited?
I thought it cost $150 and was good for only 3 days.

In fact, I went down around Star Ferry and I was told iot wasn`t worth it by Hong Kong Tourism personel.
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once again



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Octopus card is a rechargable plastic swipe card. It acts as electronic cash basically. You can use it to pay for things in many places. It lasts, as far as I know, until it physically disintigrates. Which would probably be a couple of hundred years.
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lastmanineurope



Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Posts: 22
Location: HK

PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am English and have been in HK teaching since January. It feels a very safe place for me. There are occasional seedy areas but even in those I have never felt threatened. I walk around at night and have had no problems. Any hassles come from the traffic, the noise, and the population density - these stress me out sometimes. Safe, but SO busy.
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Fortigurn



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, that's good to know. Smile
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JZer



Joined: 16 Jan 2005
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Location: Pittsburgh

PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(Incidentally, I walked through St Kilda at 3am one night, and wasn't attacked...)


I once walked through Harlam a 3AM without being attacked, that does not mean I would recommend doing it.
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voodikon



Joined: 23 Sep 2004
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Location: chengdu

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i lived in east l.a. and echo park for four years and walked around those areas at all hours of the night fairly regularly, and always felt unsafe, for good reason, i feel. i walked around kowloon island at 4 in the morning one night without a second thought but then suddenly felt slightly ill at ease--but i always feel completely safe walking around the two cities i've lived in in china.

fortigurn, as somebody who's wanted to move to hong kong for a while and also posted to these forums seeking information (and met with similar aggression), i have to say i hope that it's because the majority of the posters here are the expats who aren't particularly enjoying their lives in hong kong and thus spend a lot of time posting on the internet! (contrast the lack of activity here with the boom of activity on the china forums, and you'll get my drift). and yes, before anybody points out my post count, that's why i'm contemplating moving!
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