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nickelgoat
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Khyron
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:46 am Post subject: |
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What happened to the original thread? |
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Hoser

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 694 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:59 am Post subject: |
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It probably "disappeared." At least that disappearance had some basis to it as opposed to the thousands of other "disappearances" of innocent posts or threads during this regime. |
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abufletcher
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 779 Location: Shikoku Japan (for now)
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:31 am Post subject: |
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Divine intervention?  |
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:25 am Post subject: |
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No, more like moderator intervention.
Religious discussions are generally frowned upon here (and frequently removed) due to their sensitive nature. Innevitably there's always some individuals who end up "bashing" someone else's faith (or at least some people FEEL like their faith is being bashed) and that's when things get out of hand. The last thread took a 90-degree turn, and was starting to get insensitive to some.
Personally, I think it was for the best that the last thread got moved. If someone comes online asking for a good church (or mosque or temple or synagogue or whatever) I don't think anyone, including the mods has an issue with that -- but when people start discussing the merits (or demerits) of any given faith, it will probably get locked or deleted.
I wouldn't count on this thread lasting that long either... |
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angrysoba

Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 446 Location: Kansai, Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: |
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I think erasing the whole thread was too much. Couldn't the moderators have just locked the thread like they often do? |
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sidjameson
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:43 am Post subject: |
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hehe well before it gets deleted. I would just like to say that the OP accused the Japanese based on one incident of not tolerating Christianity. The OP seemed to have had enough of this nation's people's attitudes to religion based on his/her experience. Wouldn't is be far more of the case of the OP not tolerating the Japanese? |
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JimDunlop2

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Posts: 2286 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Not neccesarily. I think that the OP was just very surprised at the response he received to his ad... It's clear to me by his post that he hasn't been in Japan very long and doesn't know what to think of Japanese peoples' attitudes towards Christians and Christianity -- especially coming from Korea where there is a strong Christian community...
Nor has he been on Dave's very long to know that religion is a topic that raises eyebrows with mods as well as users. |
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Khyron
Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 291 Location: Tokyo Metro City
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:35 am Post subject: |
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I've been lurking for a couple of years, so I kind of suspected that is what happened (the thread was magically moderated ). You really get a different feel when you start participating though.
Anyway, from what I've experienced, the Japanese, in general, are fairly indifferent to religion. They just don't think about it very much. Most that I've talked to describe their famly religion as Buddhist, or maybe Shinto, but they only participate when they have to (not unlike the 'Christmas and Easter Christians'). I would classify most Japanese as agnostic people who don't give much thought to religion. Very secular actually.
Whenever I've brought up the subject, I find it's usually met with lots of interest and questions. I haven't seen much hostility at all. Of course there is always some, but not anymore than I've seen elsewhere.
I would not expect this forum to put up with deep religious discussions. This is an ESL forum, which is for discussing the life and job of English teachers in Japan. Religion is part of that, but this is not the place to be disgussing the theology if religions. Something like christianforums.com or the600club.com is for that.
I think the topic of this thread is a good one for this forum though. |
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angrysoba

Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 446 Location: Kansai, Japan
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:48 am Post subject: |
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sidjameson wrote: |
hehe well before it gets deleted. I would just like to say that the OP accused the Japanese based on one incident of not tolerating Christianity. The OP seemed to have had enough of this nation's people's attitudes to religion based on his/her experience. Wouldn't is be far more of the case of the OP not tolerating the Japanese? |
The OP had a legitimate question and never made any remarks suggesting that they were intolerant of Japanese. They received a nasty response to a perfectly innocent ad asking to meet other Christians and then the thread veered wildly off-topic, as this one no doubt will.
Which is why I thought it was better to lock the thread rather than erase it. |
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Seeker of truth
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Khyron wrote: |
Anyway, from what I've experienced, the Japanese, in general, are fairly indifferent to religion. They just don't think about it very much. Most that I've talked to describe their famly religion as Buddhist, or maybe Shinto, but they only participate when they have to (not unlike the 'Christmas and Easter Christians'). I would classify most Japanese as agnostic people who don't give much thought to religion. Very secular actually.
Whenever I've brought up the subject, I find it's usually met with lots of interest and questions. I haven't seen much hostility at all. Of course there is always some, but not anymore than I've seen elsewhere. |
What do you think is the basis for morality in Japan? In the West, the Judeo-Christian belief system tends to be the basis. But in Japan? Maybe it's just reverence to the feudal lord? |
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seanmcginty
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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Seeker of truth wrote: |
What do you think is the basis for morality in Japan? In the West, the Judeo-Christian belief system tends to be the basis. But in Japan? Maybe it's just reverence to the feudal lord? |
confuscianism. |
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Khyron
Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 291 Location: Tokyo Metro City
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:27 am Post subject: |
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seanmcginty wrote: |
Seeker of truth wrote: |
What do you think is the basis for morality in Japan? In the West, the Judeo-Christian belief system tends to be the basis. But in Japan? Maybe it's just reverence to the feudal lord? |
confuscianism. |
Exactly. It's one of the *sort of* good points of it. I'm not a fan of Confuscianism much at all, but the social hierarchy it created has resulted in a sense of morality for the people; based on obidience to those of a higher class than you.
It's worked well here, overall. |
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nickelgoat
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Khyron
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: |
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nickelgoat wrote: |
Regarding Confucianism, I thought that was the thought process in Korea, China and maybe a few other east Asian countries. Japan? I thought its basic tenet was Shintoism. Is Shinto based on Confucianism? Just wondering as there seem to be so many similarities. |
Shinto isn't based on Confucianism, to my knowledge. It is often complimentery to Buddhism, although Shinto predates it in Japan.
Confucianism has been the religion of the government in Japan before, most notibly during the Tokugawa regime. Understandably, it has influenced both the culture and thought of the Japanese for a long time. It does not conflict with base Shinto to my knowledge, either.
Most of east Asia (at least NE Asian) has been heavily influenced by Confucianism, and Japan is no exception. |
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