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gemini22
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 9
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: Do I tell them I am bringing someone? get married? |
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I have a few interviews coming up with GEOS and Nova Group.
I want to bring my boyfriend to Japan with me.
Do I need to tell them this at the interview; is that going to hurt my chances of getting the job?
Do they even need to know if they are offering single accommodation?
Will places like Nova even hire someone in this situation, who can't live in the dorm style apartments?
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He doesn't have a degree. We have money saved up but I don't think we can swing these border runs because of the flight costs. Can he just hide out for a year or will they tell him he can never come back after we leave? What is the worse case scenario?
Seriously, do I have to marry him to take him with me? Seems like a bad reason to get married, but is that the only way to make this happen?
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SDSUMarcus01
Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 20
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: Do I tell them I am bringing someone? get married? |
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gemini22 wrote: |
I have a few interviews coming up with GEOS and Nova Group.
I want to bring my boyfriend to Japan with me.
Do I need to tell them this at the interview; is that going to hurt my chances of getting the job?
Do they even need to know if they are offering single accommodation?
Will places like Nova even hire someone in this situation, who can't live in the dorm style apartments?
Issue #2
He doesn't have a degree. We have money saved up but I don't think we can swing these border runs because of the flight costs. Can he just hide out for a year or will they tell him he can never come back after we leave? What is the worse case scenario?
Seriously, do I have to marry him to take him with me? Seems like a bad reason to get married, but is that the only way to make this happen?
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I've never worked for an eikaiwa but from what I've read on the boards neither Geos or Nova will take kindly to you having your bf hide out in your apartment. I don't even know if you would have room for that (a 9 X 15 room doesn't sound great for one person, let alone two). Nova also has shared apartments so one of your fellow teachers would probably rat you out.
I think you need to seriously think about this. What is he going to do in Japan? He won't have a working visa because he needs a college degree for it. So is he going to sit in your shoebox apartment (if you manage to sneak him in) and spend your meager wages while you work there? Geos and Nova hardly pay enough for two people.
And for God's sake don't marry him just to bring him into the country. I don't even know if that work. |
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kdynamic

Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 562 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:01 am Post subject: |
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Marrying him will make everything about this situation easier. As long as you're happily married that is. |
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rai
Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 119 Location: Osaka
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Well, everything will be easier except the "two people trying to live off of one person's eikaiwa salary" part...
And how is she gonna explain why her hubby can't get his own visa, and needs to live with her in a company apartment? I don't think it's possible to keep it a secret...
Wait'll he gets a degree, or come by yourself, I don't see any scenario where you could support two people on eikaiwa wages (especially 'cuz he'll need money to keep himself entertained all day while you're slaving away). |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:29 am Post subject: Re: Do I tell them I am bringing someone? get married? |
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Dont want to break it to you, but you will need to have his name included on the lease if you are in a company apartment. If you are married they may not even let a spouse stay in company apartments, let alone a boyfriend.
It will soon be very clear whether or not you have someone living there and in some cases you will have Japanese office staff living in the same building.
gemini22 wrote: |
I have a few interviews coming up with GEOS and Nova Group.
I want to bring my boyfriend to Japan with me.
Do I need to tell them this at the interview; is that going to hurt my chances of getting the job? |
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Issue #2
He doesn't have a degree. We have money saved up but I don't think we can swing these border runs because of the flight costs. Can he just hide out for a year or will they tell him he can never come back after we leave? What is the worse case scenario?
Seriously, do I have to marry him to take him with me? Seems like a bad reason to get married, but is that the only way to make this happen? |
My worry would be about how you can afford to support him for a year on an eikaiwa salary. supporting two people on what they pay you will be impossible.
Even if you marry he still wont have a degree and can come with you on a dependent visa. This is not a work visa but he can get permssion to work up to 20 hours a week. this is dependent on employers deeming him qualified. he may be a native speaker but 90% demand that a teacher has a minimum of a degree.
If you do visa runs he only has to go to Korea, not back to the US and he will have to show immigration he can support himself for 6 months with no obvious means of income on a tourist visa. |
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in_japan
Joined: 20 Feb 2006 Posts: 14
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: |
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I once approached NOVA with my girlfriend. They were happy to give us jobs and our own apartment to live in in Tokyo.
That being said, we had degrees. However, NOVA do offer part-time positions to people without degrees. I'm not sure of the exact details but its worth checking out.
We didn't actually accept the NOVA positions so I can't offer much more feedback. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:54 am Post subject: |
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in_japan wrote: |
I once approached NOVA with my girlfriend. They were happy to give us jobs and our own apartment to live in in Tokyo.
That being said, we had degrees. However, NOVA do offer part-time positions to people without degrees. I'm not sure of the exact details but its worth checking out.
We didn't actually accept the NOVA positions so I can't offer much more feedback. |
NOVA makes money from renting its apartments to its employees. a tenant who is not working and not paying rent is dead weight to NOVA. All fine and good if you are both working for the company and paying per person for rent.
They wont let someone live there who doesnt have a job. For the Flex Time positions i believe you need at least a year of university experience and be on a Working Holiday visa. im not sure of the OP's nationality but Americans are ineligible for WHV. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 2142 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:00 am Post subject: |
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If he did succeed in hiding out with you for a year he'd be a serious overstayer and could be detained for several weeks before being deported and banned from returning to Japan for 5 years or so. That would then cause problems for entering many other countries. Even overstaying your visa by a day has caused people here all kinds of problems.
Years ago my boyfriend saved enough money to spend 6 months in Japan with me- he had to leave when his first 90 days were up of course, and then when he came back in a month or so later he was interrogated and asked whether he planned to work in Japan and if he had the funds to support himself travelling in Japan, which he did, and he showed them. After an hour or so they let him in, but some people are put back on a flight home. I was working for Nova at the time but living in a gaijin house so it was no trouble to have him move in with me.
As another poster said Nova will put you in a group apartment (I wouldn't call it a dorm, it's two or three people sharing an ordinary apartment) if you are single, and couples, married or not, they usually try to place in their own apartment, but only if both are working for Nova. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:10 am Post subject: |
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My advice, for what its worth, is to consider a long distance relationship. He cant work here without a visa, wont have much money and will be cooped up in a shoebox like apartment( about the size of an average bedroom) and he will be hiding like Anne Frank from the Nazis.
Travel and sightseeing will be out of the question on one salary as domestic travel is expensive.
perhaps have him come out and visit you every few months for a week at a time. Visitors are usually OK. Maybe get your own apartment and he can come out for short stretches during the year.
Set up IM, email or Skype so you can talk with each other. The above poster mentioned overstayers.
the penalties for overstaying here are severe. and at the very least he may be looking at up to a week in detention center i.e. jail and then forcibly removed from the country. that means being put on a plane in handcuffs and led around on a rope. |
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Willy_In_Japan
Joined: 20 Jul 2004 Posts: 329
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: |
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If you are on a Visa working in Japan, and marry a foreign national of a different country than your own, what are the rules for being able to have your spouse live in Japan with you? |
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johanne
Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 189
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:02 am Post subject: |
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If you have a work visa your spouse, regardless of their nationality, can get a dependent's visa. This means he/she can live in Japan as long as you do and if you fill out some paper work he/she can work up to 20 hours a week and earn about 1,000,000 yen a year (I'm not sure of the exact amount, but there is a limit and it's not that high). Of course, he/she can also work for cash teaching privates. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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johanne wrote: |
If you have a work visa your spouse, regardless of their nationality, can get a dependent's visa. This means he/she can live in Japan as long as you do and if you fill out some paper work he/she can work up to 20 hours a week and earn about 1,000,000 yen a year (I'm not sure of the exact amount, but there is a limit and it's not that high). Of course, he/she can also work for cash teaching privates. |
Dependents can earn more but if they do the main breadwinner will be liable for secondary taxation on the second income.
Most (Japanese) spouses or dependents work part time or not at all to avoid paying extra taxes. I believe the limit is 1.1 million yen or about 90,000 yen a month. |
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gemini22
Joined: 16 Mar 2006 Posts: 9
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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That was very helpful. So he could work for Nova if he has one year of college? I am new to all this and didn�t know the penalties for overstaying a visa were so bad! I had a job offer in Korea yesterday, maybe I check in with that forum to see what this situation would be like there.
I really love him and I would like to marry him someday. I have already been married once and I am enjoying the all the independent decision making opportunities these days. Not that he would take that away, but from my experience, you can never be sure.
So basically what I am hearing is that even if I married him I still would not make enough to even enjoy being in Japan. I could be hanging out in my apartment back home. Thanks everyone! |
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rai
Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 119 Location: Osaka
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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But, but , but, what does he DO? How can he come to Japan to just hang out for a year?????
By the way, Visa stuff is MUCH more difficult in Korea. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but your non-degree holding BF is going to be dead-weight if you want to live abroad... |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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gemini22 wrote: |
So basically what I am hearing is that even if I married him I still would not make enough to even enjoy being in Japan. I could be hanging out in my apartment back home. Thanks everyone! |
The NOVA salary when you convert to $US is 3 million yen a year or $26,000. This is less than a fresh teaching graduate makes in the US, and you want to support two people on it. People are now starting at NOVA on 230,000 or $19,000 a year.
When you first arrive you will be on a probation income for two months until you receive a full salary. A NOVA is sufficient for one single person without major expenses. It will cover all your immediate bills such as rent, food utilities and transport. After expenses are taken out you can expect to have about 40-50,000 left over. This is about $350-400 pocket monet
You will have other miscellaneous expenses such as magazines, video rental, insurance, postage, stationery, laundry bills. You will NOT be able to support two people on a NOVA salary and its even difficult on a JET salary of 300,00 yen a month. I support a wife and children on my salary (wife does not work) and I see little change out of 380,000 yen a month.
You can earn extra money, but that will mean either putting in extra hours after you have put in an 8 hour shift at NOVA or working in your days off. Do you really want to come here and be working 10-11 hour days or working on your days off, just so your boyfriend can live with you?
If you married him he can get a dependent visa and technically he c an work on the DV. He could work teaching privates at home or getting a part time job somewhere. I will add most employers here require a degree, even on a spouse or dependent visa, and those who dont have a degree can expect very low wages. GABA for example will hire him but the pay is about 1300 yen for a 40 minute lesson and there is 5-10 minute break between classes.
It may be possible, but IMHO you will be stretched for cash if he doesnt work, and you will be financially carrying him for a year.
Here is a link with prices in Tokyo
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