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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today's boso are tomorrow's cops.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
Today's boso are tomorrow's cops.


Not sure if you know but MC Shinsuke Shimada ( the punkish looking guy who fronts the lawyers program, looks like a boxer) was a Yankee or bosozoku (Bee Bop high school) in his early days on TV. he was originally in manzai.



He was off the air for about three months recently as a self imposed exile because he physically assaulted a woman subordinate (punched her and dragged her around by the hair).


Nice guy.
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BurnChurch



Joined: 10 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Cops... Reply with quote

MOD EDIT
They Like, as stated before, to bother people, to mess with foreigners - specially when you do that "weird" thing when you walk and breathe just like others and you all know what?
HOW the heck can they interrogate us, which is embarrasing, if front of other people if they are not trained to speak English?
The most retarded and dangerous people are the japanese themselves, not the foreigners!
Just watch the news.
And I also think they train these cops demonizing all foreigners showing them videos or something!
That`s stupid, gay, retarded, dumb,,, whatever you call it!
I hate them
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Bozo Yoroshiku



Joined: 22 Feb 2005
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Location: the Chocolate Side of the Force

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Re: Police Reply with quote

Tom Highway wrote:
This is really getting old Mad. Just got stopped today, AGAIN, for absolutely no reason at the train station.

In the States, you got "driving while black". In Japan, it "walking while white". Print out a mess of Debuto's info cards for your wallet. They should help for the next time.


--boz
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Bozo Yoroshiku



Joined: 22 Feb 2005
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Location: the Chocolate Side of the Force

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nickelgoat wrote:
Be thankful, however, that you are not in Korea. Xenophobia there runs wild because of all the fake degrees and such that has happened, plus owners threaten to call the police on their foreign help all the time. At least in Jpan, there is a semblance of order amongst the chaos. I am thankful to be here!

Cops don't bother foreigners in Korea. They don't have any abiblity in English, and don't want to bother themselves with the effort of trying to make themselves understood to you. If you get stopped when driving or on a scooter, 99 times out of 100 they'll just sigh and wave you on. And the only time a street beat cop ever stopped me was more than 8 years ago, during several weeks of heavy campus campaigning and elections by the pro-North students.

Korean Keystone Kops are frightened little de-clawed kittens compared to Japanese thug cops.


--boz
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wolfman



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

shuize wrote:
I googled around and found a BBC article and video on it.

Article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4287899.stm#

Video:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/nb_wm_fs.stm?checkedBandwidth=nb&nbram=1&subtitles=hide&checkedMedia=asx&news=1&bbwm=1&nbwm=1&bbram=1&nol_storyid=4290735

Funny.


as funny as that seems... i think it's better descretion than that of north american police officers. american cops would have blown that guy away at the drop of a hat... which of course wasn't neccesary since the guy was on drugs and obviously out of his mind.
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shuize



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wolfman wrote:
as funny as that seems... i think it's better descretion than that of north american police officers. american cops would have blown that guy away at the drop of a hat... which of course wasn't neccesary since the guy was on drugs and obviously out of his mind.

I think you're wrong. Had that happened in the U.S., cops would have likely maced the guy or tazered him down from a distance. If that didn't work they probably would have done what the J-Cops should have: Waited for the guy to keep approaching and then beaten the crap out of him with their asps.

It's my opinion that J-Cops are next to useless. Except at hounding people on bikes or giving directions. Not 15 minutes ago, for example, I watched some kids double riding on a bicycle ignore repeated warnings from cops in a patrol car to stop. The kids rode on and the cops just drove away. I thought to myself, "Why even issue the order if you have no intention of enforcing it? You've just taught those kids and everyone standing around watching that your warnings mean jack sh-t."

But then I remembered this thread and thought: "Oh right. Everyone already knows J-Cops are p-ssies."
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wangtesol



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So are cops in a small city (say 20,000 people) hired by the city hall or are they hired by the prefecture? Or what? If they are hasseling you (ie. foreigners) one could go to city hall and complain, if city hall hires them.
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Jazz1975



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmmmmm....something tells me I should use being Asian to my advantage and try to blend in with the crowd. This way, there's less chance I get stopped and asked to show my gaijin card. Well...one can hope.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have ridden a bike here only once, so I can say I have never been stopped on a bike. By comparison the cops in Taiwan are pretty helpful, but you have to pay attention to them as you have to go to a special police station to get your visa!

The only time I got stopped was when I was riding on my motorbike in Taipei and made an illegal left turn, and the cop was hidden on the edge of the intersection. He lectured me a bit in Chinese and English (usually if they don't speak English they give up pretty quick, but they can give you a ticket), then let me go. Not to say I learned my lesson, often if I could, I made illegal turns, just kept a more careful eye out for cops Twisted Evil !

Some of the Japanese cops are helpful (for directions), but most of the time they do seem a bit useless. Remember though, there is 1 policeman for every 100 people, the highest ratio in the world Cool!
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alexrocks



Joined: 13 Feb 2006
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Location: Kyoto, Japan

PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there really one cop for every hundred people here? Compared to the States, it feels to me like the police have a really minimal presence here. I find that figure hard to believe, though I have no idea what the true ratio might be.
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Khyron



Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bozo Yoroshiku wrote:
Cops don't bother foreigners in Korea. They don't have any abiblity in English...
My personal experience says otherwise.

I'd say that about half the cops that stopped me on my motorbike were quite proficiant in English. They were all nice to me though. I never felt harassed by them.
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wolfman



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shuize wrote:
wolfman wrote:
as funny as that seems... i think it's better descretion than that of north american police officers. american cops would have blown that guy away at the drop of a hat... which of course wasn't neccesary since the guy was on drugs and obviously out of his mind.

I think you're wrong. Had that happened in the U.S., cops would have likely maced the guy or tazered him down from a distance. If that didn't work they probably would have done what the J-Cops should have: Waited for the guy to keep approaching and then beaten the crap out of him with their asps.

It's my opinion that J-Cops are next to useless. Except at hounding people on bikes or giving directions. Not 15 minutes ago, for example, I watched some kids double riding on a bicycle ignore repeated warnings from cops in a patrol car to stop. The kids rode on and the cops just drove away. I thought to myself, "Why even issue the order if you have no intention of enforcing it? You've just taught those kids and everyone standing around watching that your warnings mean jack sh-t."

But then I remembered this thread and thought: "Oh right. Everyone already knows J-Cops are p-ssies."


you might be right. but i still think that it's better for cops to be wimps than it is for them to be power trippers who use excessive force for enforcing ridiculous laws.

i think the cops driving away from the kids double riding is the best thing they can do... if they want to do something that might get themselves hurt then so be it. live and let falloff bikes and scrape their knees.

to add a disclaimer to all this... i've not yet arrived in japan so i don't have much experience with this, i'm speaking entirely in theory.
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sallycat



Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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Location: behind you. BOO!

PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a friend who was harassed into leaving the country by the police. she was beaten unconcious by a stranger on one of the main streets of kyoto (kawaramachi, if you're interested).
the police questioned her intensively, and
-- confiscated her gaijin card
--refused to allow her to bring a japanese-speaking friend to the police station with her (she didn't speak very much japanese herself), and said that their staff spoke english. the "english speaker" said things like "your attacker, round eyes?" (i'm not saying that the japanese police should be able to speak english, but she should have been allowed to bring someone to translate)
--insisted that she was married to her male flatmate, and that they would report her to immigration for being married to him. when she said she was not married to him, they repeatedly asked her how many times a week she had sex with him.
--insisted that she was drunk at the time of the assault because she was talking funny. she'd been knocked unconcious and was bleeding from the mouth at the time. she actually wasn't drunk at all (and so what if she had been?)
--accused her of aiding islamic terrorist groups because she had been at karaoke with an indonesian guy. and because "your name, not englishman's name"
--insisted that she send her father's death certificate from new zealand.
-- insisted that her attacker was a foreigner, even though she had heard him speaking japanese.
-- told her that if any detail of what she had told them was wrong, for example if her attacker had approached her from the left side rather than the right side, they would prosecute her for lying to the police.

etc.
then she got a letter from imigration asking her to come in and "discuss her visa status", despite the fact that her visa wasn't due to be renewed for another six months.
incidentally, she said that although there are statistics for the number of assaults on japanese people by foreigners, she was unable to find any statistics on the number of assaults on foreigners by japanese people.


so, japanese cops, just lovable wimps, eh?
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Jazz1975



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sallycat, this is highly disturbing to say the least. You've just strengthened my resolve that much more to hook up with a women's organization and to make myself very aware of resources available to foreign women so I know where to turn in order to access information.
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