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Malsol
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jesse27
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| Thanks for all your advice everyone. I'm going back in to the administrator tommorrow or the next day to see what the principal had to say (although it's quite likely they haven't gotten around to doing anything yet), I'll let you know how it turns out. |
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Itsme
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| Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hello
In response to the OP, if the administration says that they are working on it then they have already forgotten about it. Bring it up every day until they solve the problem.
It sounds like your red flags are correct. "Are you signing on for another year?" is paramount to asking a girl "Do you have a boyfriend?" before spending money on flowers and a movie.
If you stay another year then of course they will try.. you are their "Friend" right?
If not, then why bother? Your residence permit is up. We dont pay you salary because you are illegal now. Should we call the police on you???
Soooo.. Just say that you really really want to come back for another year but you are not sure year because..... |
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mlomker
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| Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: Re: not receiving salary |
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| The best approach is to try to work with the school, of course. The final option is to figure out whether a visa run is worthwhile relative to your end of contract bonuses, etc (it's supposedly impossible to convert a work or student visa to a tourist or business visa while in-country but I'm sure someone has done it). I think that working for the last month on a tourist/business visa would be a reasonable risk if the $ made sense. |
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shenyanggerry
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It sounds to me like they have decided not to pay your end of contract bonus unless you sign a new one. Perhaps after reminding them about your residence extension enough times, you go on strike after getting your May 5th pay. Insist on either a visa extension until the end of July or payment of your bonus now.
You could also sign a new contract go 'home' on vacation and disappear. If your passport is near expiry, it's even better. Get a new passport, all records in your old one are no longer visible.
Don't try working illegally. An unsigned letter to the PSB will get you deported just before you get to collect. |
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clark.w.griswald
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OP, any word on the outcome of this one? I hope it all went well for you. Be sure to post about your experiences with the school once you have left them so that others know about the place.
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| If your passport is near expiry, it's even better. Get a new passport, all records in your old one are no longer visible. |
The immigration and visa authorities in most countries now cross-check your name, date of birth, and passport number for any matches before issuing you a visa. Therefore getting yourself a new passport will not achieve any result as they will still get a match for your name and DOB and then work out your scam. The only way to effectively avoid detection would be a legal name change back home and all new documents, but as I saw mentioned on another forum this would not be a wise decision in the post 9/11 world we now live in. |
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therock
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| When your residence permit has 5 or so days left until expiry, make a trip down to the local PSB and ask for a one month tourist visa. You should be able to get at least a month tourist extension. |
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Roger
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| If your passport is about to expire you can't apply for a visa or residence permit; your passport must be good for at least one more year (I think) or 6 months (maybe). |
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Malsol
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Sgt Killjoy
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| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
Personally the only reason that I believe leaving a school without notice (a midnight run) is warranted, is if the school is requiring you to work illegally, and has not acted upon your requests to make you legal. In that case I believe that it may sometimes be in your best interests to seek the support of the local authorities.
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Clark, I disagree with you. I think a teacher has three reasons to pull a midnight runner. One, the school is making the teacher work illegally and not supplying a proper work permit after be requesting to by the teacher. Two, the school is not fullfilling its side of the contract and the teacher has asked the school to rectify the matter. Three, the school has repeatedly lied to the teachers before the teacher signed the contract and/or during the teacher's time in the school.
Remember, the school owner's version of a midnight run is firing the teacher, lying to the teacher or not fullfilling the contract. If the school owner has already did their version of a midnight run, it is only right for a teacher to reciprocate. |
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clark.w.griswald
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Sgt Killroy I am sure that you are not alone in what you post here as I am sure that a lot of teachers agree with you that midnight runners are ok. In fact I am sure that people can come up with a whole host of reasons in an attempt to legitimize the practice. I would be very surprised however if any of these teachers have ever taken the time to go through appropriate channels by making an official approach to the provincial FAO on the problems. This makes me question the validity of their point of view if they have no experience with doing things the legitimate way then how do they know that it doesn't work? Don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting that going through formal channels is as easy as walking in and telling someone all of your worries. It's not. But it is a legitimate way of either having your grievances fixed or being released from your contract without the need to run off in the middle of the night without telling anyone.
I will add the caveat that it is not always a good idea to involve the FAO and that it is a case by case thing. In my opinion however we foreign teachers can only expect to get out of the system as much as we put in. If we are forever running away from employers when we meet problems then the situation is not going to improve at all.
I assume that your comments are general in nature as they don't seem to apply to the OP in this case but anyway:
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| Clark, I disagree with you. I think a teacher has three reasons to pull a midnight runner. One, the school is making the teacher work illegally and not supplying a proper work permit after be requesting to by the teacher. |
I don't know why you disagree since I pretty much said this in my earlier post on the matter as quoted below:
| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| Personally the only reason that I believe leaving a school without notice (a midnight run) is warranted, is if the school is requiring you to work illegally, and has not acted upon your requests to make you legal. |
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| Two, the school is not fullfilling its side of the contract and the teacher has asked the school to rectify the matter. |
While this is certainly a legitimate reason to quit your job or approach the provincial FAO for assistance, I don't agree that this is a legitimate reason to do a midnight runner. On occasion these problems are what most would consider legitimate complaints, but on some occasions they are more a symptom of culture shock than any real deliberate deceipt by the school. Assuming however that the school is trying to screw the teacher then why not seek help. I am sure that this is what most of us would do in a similar situation back home so why not here?
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| Three, the school has repeatedly lied to the teachers before the teacher signed the contract and/or during the teacher's time in the school. |
Not sure how this really differs from your point number two so I will refer to my answer to point number two above.
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| If the school owner has already did their version of a midnight run, it is only right for a teacher to reciprocate. |
This is the bit that I am sure a lot of people will agree with you on. However I am confident that more and more foreign teachers are actually disagreeing that this is an appropriate justification. As I mentioned above, we can only reasonably expect to get from schools what we are willing to put in. If you, and others, think that it is okay to show up for work one day and disappear the next without telling anyone, then I assume that the same lack of respect and responsibility is acceptable to you when coming from the school. Seems like a vicious circle to me, and one that I hope we can all break out of.
Finally, and possibly most importantly, I believe that most teachers who do midnight runners don't do them out of a need to do so but instead from a desire to inflict inconvenience on the school. The problem is that it is not the schools nor the admin that suffer the most from a teacher running away, it is the students and other teachers in the school as well as the foreign teachers that follow in your steps. The school just employs another teacher and offers that teacher just a little bit less respect  |
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vikdk
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| Finally, and possibly most importantly, I believe that most teachers who do midnight runners don't do them out of a need to do so but instead from a desire to inflict inconvenience on the school. The problem is that it is not the schools nor the admin that suffer the most from a teacher running away, it is the students and other teachers in the school as well as the foreign teachers that follow in your steps. The school just employs another teacher and offers that teacher just a little bit less respect |
yes lads and lasses just buckle down - don't think of the inconveniece caused to you - and try and preserve those same (grotty) conditions which will of course ensure the happiness and well being of both students and future FT's - If you would now all stand up and Join me in the national anthem  |
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7969
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| Finally, and possibly most importantly, I believe that most teachers who do midnight runners don't do them out of a need to do so but instead from a desire to inflict inconvenience on the school. The problem is that it is not the schools nor the admin that suffer the most from a teacher running away, it is the students and other teachers in the school as well as the foreign teachers that follow in your steps. The school just employs another teacher and offers that teacher just a little bit less respect |
yes lads and lasses just buckle down - don't think of the inconveniece caused to you - and try and preserve those same (grotty) conditions which will of course ensure the happiness and well being of both students and future FT's - If you would now all stand up and Join me in the national anthem |
revenge, at times, is an important factor in motivating one to do the midnight run. |
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vikdk
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| revenge, at times, is an important factor in motivating one to do the midnight run. |
well if we sleep with our hands outside the sheets - and contantly think of England (or any other desired country) maybe we wont weaken to the moral decreptitude of acting against wrong-doing |
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Malsol
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