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GEOS, ECC and......NOVA?
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angrysoba



Joined: 20 Jan 2006
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Location: Kansai, Japan

PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madeira wrote:
Questions about GEOS:

Do they still provide health insurance?

Contract completion bonus: How much?

Overtime: When does it kick in?

(Shakai hoken was covered when I was there, and I know what the bonuses/overtime used to be, but it's been a year or so..)


I think that they changed their system recently to make their teachers part-time to avoid certain obligations such as shakai hoken. As eikaiwas go its as good (and bad) as any other. Their president (Kusunoki) was caught trying to pull a fast one over taxes.

Does anyone have any links to Kusunoki's tax dodge?
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madeira



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waiting on real/new information...

Why would GEOS change anything when they always have provided Shakai hoken? I checked my records recently, and everything was paid up. GEOS paid everything, no shared deal.

I don't have a link to the tax dodge, but I read about it at the time (5 years ago, I think). The owner declared himself a non-resident for tax purposes, and it was disallowed. He has properties everywhere... I guess he wasn't visiting them enough.

No idea why the accountants thought that was a good idea. Taxes in Japan are really low... or at least they are for us peons.
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Jazz1975



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Madeira, I'll be getting the GEOS handbook tomorrow. I will be able to answer some of your questions by Sunday if not tomorrow.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazz1975 wrote:
Madeira, I'll be getting the GEOS handbook tomorrow. I will be able to answer some of your questions by Sunday if not tomorrow.


You may want to visit the GEOS page on the Schools page of http://www.generalunion.org


No links came up on Google about the tax dodge either. Chances are he paid off Google or the servers to erase any bad links on the search engines.
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harlemknight



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jazz1975 wrote:
Madeira, I'll be getting the GEOS handbook tomorrow. I will be able to answer some of your questions by Sunday if not tomorrow.


The GEOS handbook written by GEOS?
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harlemknight



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

madeira wrote:
Waiting on real/new information...

Why would GEOS change anything when they always have provided Shakai hoken? I checked my records recently, and everything was paid up. GEOS paid everything, no shared deal.

I don't have a link to the tax dodge, but I read about it at the time (5 years ago, I think). The owner declared himself a non-resident for tax purposes, and it was disallowed. He has properties everywhere... I guess he wasn't visiting them enough.

No idea why the accountants thought that was a good idea. Taxes in Japan are really low... or at least they are for us peons.


Geos didnt pay shakai hoken. Instead they provided staff with private insurance, which in addition to being very basic, is also cheaper than the contribution they would have had to pay under shakai hoken. All full time workers have to be enrolled in shakai hoken. Geos' foreign staff weren't. After this was discovered by the government, Geos' answer was to call their full time employees 'semi full time', so they could further avoid contributing.

Overtime is paid if 'semi full time' staff teach over 25 hours/week.
Working over 29.5 hours per week will not be accepted (or rather acknowleged) by the company, as this would force the worker to be enrolled in the shakai hoken scheme - and geos would have to pay.



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No idea why the accountants thought that was a good idea


Hmm, I wonder why....

I doubt you will find any honest answers to the shakai hoken/tax evasion questions in the geos handbook
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madeira



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt if anything was erased from Google. It just wasn't interesting enough. It wasn't front page news even at the time. One article in the Japan Times and that was it.
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madeira



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously I don't know much about health insurance, but my Shakai hoken was registered/paid by GEOS. It's all fine. We had to check into it recently.

Now I'm on Toshiba's insurance plan, and it's similar. Private, paid by the company, and dandy with the government.

No need for me to join the National Health plan. The National Health folks confirmed this.
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guitarcries



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GEOS provides "Overseas Travelers' Insurance," which is entirely paid for by them. I haven't actually had to use it yet, so I can't tell you much... but, as far as I can tell it basically covers everything other than pre-existing conditions, dental, and vision. They tell you that in the interview, though, if I remember correctly.

As for overtime... I wasn't even aware we got it. Of course it depends on the school, but as for me, my schedule is extremely easy. I very rarely have seven classes in one day; most days it's 5 classes on average. I spend some additional time planning lessons and filling out paperwork (the paperwork is a lot less than many internet posters may have led you to believe). Today, Saturday, was my last work day of the week and I arrived at work at noon, taught for 40 minutes, had about an hour and a half break, taught four more 50 minute classes, and then left for the day at 6 p.m. This is my usual Saturday schedule. During the week it varies... Thursdays are my best day: no class until 4 p.m., and only three classes total. The only annoying thing is that even if I don't need to be in class until 4, I still have to come to work at noon to clock in and check in with my manager for a few minutes; I can leave after that and not return until 4, though. But considering that we get paid the same salary as we would've had we been working 40 hour weeks, I guess I really can't complain.

Anyway.. yeah, GEOS is a business. But, it really is a good job. I have few complaints. It's a good company to work for, as long as you aren't a Japanese employee (I'll go more into that if you're interested...).
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mrjohndub



Joined: 19 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

harlemknight wrote:
Geos didnt pay shakai hoken. Instead they provided staff with private insurance, which in addition to being very basic, is also cheaper than the contribution they would have had to pay under shakai hoken. All full time workers have to be enrolled in shakai hoken. Geos' foreign staff weren't. After this was discovered by the government, Geos' answer was to call their full time employees 'semi full time', so they could further avoid contributing.


Yeah, it's good for GEOS' wallet, but also for mine. Because of the 'semi-full time' scheme, I avoid paying into social insurance, which I certainly would rather not do. Also, the national health insurance, while perhaps better than my current, GEOS-paid-for coverage, would cost me more money.

I'm pleased with the 'semi-full time' scam. Scam away, GEOS. Yay.
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Jazz1975



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Everyone!

Just checkin' in...thought I'd let all of you know that I have my demo tomorrow. Still need to work on it so I'll be lucky if I get a few hours of sleep. Wish me luck! Wink Very Happy
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Willy_In_Japan



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geos never paid Shakai hoken when I worked there 2.5 years ago. They had private health insurance.

And, whoever said they don't have to be in the school if they dontt have classes has it extremely lucky. I had to be in the school from 20 mins before my 'start' and the only time I got to leave was on my lunch which was 'my time' and then I had to be back 10 mins before the class started........paper work wasnt as bad as it used to be in the bad days, but still was whacked out stupid...it would always take me 20 mins off the clock to complete as my classes finished at 10 pm on the button and I would still have the paperwork to do.........my schedule had approximately 33 classes a week, but with their 45 min classes, it always equalled less than OT levels. I was always scrambling to have prep time, considering that of the 7 periods i wasnt teaching, they were usually filled with telephone meetings, teachers meetings....manager lessons,....poster making, or other myriad number of things like 'paperwork assignments'. I had 8 classes on saturdays.....7 on thursdays.....and the day i left GEOS they filled the thursday open period up.

If i had it like the poster who gets to leave and not be back until 4 I might not loathe the place as much as I do today.
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guitarcries



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, GEOS has changed a lot in the last six months. Sounds like it's an entirely different job.
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Jazz1975



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 8:57 pm    Post subject: Mentally and physically exhausted... Reply with quote

Wow...where can I start? Three days of GEOS indoctrination. Demo was today and while I did some parts well, I think it flopped on the whole. With regard to their teaching method, I totally screwed up the role play portion of it. I was so nervous I was screwing up on other things I otherwise wouldn't have. I was asked in the final interview why I should be hired AND if I wasn't hired, why that would've been the case. Basically I did really well in everything else except the demo so I hope it didn't offset the good stuff Confused Wink . And while I was "genki" all the way through, it just went down the drain today. I'm exhausted after four FULL days of interviews (dealt with ECC last Thursday) and not feeling good about the demo. Still, when all is said and done, I am glad that I was at least given the chance to try.
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Jazz1975



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Came to a decision. If I'm lucky and both ECC and GEOS takes me, I'm gonna go with ECC. Seems to be a lot more laidback imo. That, and they seem to be a lot more willing to work with me in terms of preferences even though I totally understand that they cannot guarantee anything in terms of location (all comes down to business needs, I know). However, it was made quite clear that for people who go in either June or July (I'm in this group), our chances of being located where we want to be is much higher than for those who go in late-August till November.
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