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Dex



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Osaka - Up or down? Reply with quote

I live and work in Bangkok, Thailand for a great school and a pretty decent salary. I can't save as much as I'd like to in western terms, but I do ok.

Here's the thing...

My girlfriend (from Osaka) has said that if I'd like to try teaching in Japan, and save some decent money, we could stay in her apartment in Osaka. There will be no rent, no key money, no deposits, and she has a car.
She is a fairly successful business woman who has good contacts in Osaka and can make the move fairly easily, so there are no worries for her, but do you think it would be a wise move for me?

I have good experience under my belt, and don't really relish the idea of returning back to square one in Japan (although the money is tempting...). In my current job, I will probably be promoted to a managerial position fairly soon, but still the money won't be great (converted).

What kind of opportunities are there for someone like me, with a couple years primary school experience, a year of adult training, and a plain old bachelor's degree?

Realistically speaking, is it a good move, or am I just selling my soul for a little extra cash?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 3:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Osaka - Up or down? Reply with quote

Dex wrote:

What kind of opportunities are there for someone like me, with a couple years primary school experience, a year of adult training, and a plain old bachelor's degree?

Realistically speaking, is it a good move, or am I just selling my soul for a little extra cash?


Jobs are said to be hard to get in Osaka (lots of competition, generally sluggish economy, glutted market) and most want you to have a valid visa, work is part time or most is tis trashy dispatch work. For leads in kansai go to http://www.kfm.to and download the KFM for job ads.

I recommend you make enquiries before you leave Thailand as it may be hard to look from scratch once you get here. Don't expect great pay here as its not going to happen in your first six months.
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Dex



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Paul. I took a look at that site, and it seems a lot of employers ask for work visa.

If I come over with say GEOS, or Berlitz etc. can I change jobs and keep my work visa?

Is 250k enough (considering I have an apartment and car taken car of already)?

Sorry if these questions are answered elsewhere on the forum, just don't have enough time to check right now.

Thanks.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dex wrote:
If I come over with say GEOS, or Berlitz etc. can I change jobs and keep my work visa?


You can change jobs but you are required to give notice. Not sure whats in their contracts but it could be up to 3 months. Visa goes with you and you can work till it expires.


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Is 250k enough (considering I have an apartment and car taken car of already)?


If you have no rent to pay that means more money in your pocket (and no key money either) so it should be enough for some beer money. You wont need a car in Osaka unless you are living out in the boonies and no where near a train station. Parking's a real bi-tch in Osaka anyway. Ive lived here longer than I care to think about and always take the train, even though I have wheels.

PS Drink drive laws are EXTREMELY strict here. Dont even think about drink-driving as the cops go after the passengers if they allow you to drive and they have a drivers licence. they fine both driver and passenger 300,000 yen EACH for DUI. If you go out to drink leave the car at home or go by taxi. Mostly you wont need a car here.
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markle



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did six years in Thailand and in the end I had little to show for it so coming to Japan was the only way I could get the money I need to move on to bigger and better things. I know that managerial position sounds like it's worth something but in the cold hard real world it probably won't amount to much.
And after BKK, even a big city like Osaka will be a breeze. Basically in Bkk nothing works as it should contrasted with here were everything works as it should.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

markle wrote:

And after BKK, even a big city like Osaka will be a breeze. Basically in Bkk nothing works as it should contrasted with here were everything works as it should.


Except JR West. They have a little problem with cornering still.
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Dex



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks.

Just what I wanted to hear. I'll probably come over January next year with a language school job in hand, and then see what else comes my way...

Markle, just out of interest, what were salaries like when you worked in BKK.
I'm earning about 160 000 yen in my current position, but that doesn't seem to go too far in terms of saving, even with the relatively low cost of living.
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earache



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Except JR West. They have a little problem with cornering still


Nice quip, PaulH, on the first anniversary of the accident which killed more than 100 people.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

earache wrote:
Nice quip, PaulH, on the first anniversary of the accident which killed more than 100 people.


Are you going to ban cars because they kill thousands of people every year? Lighten up.

There is no guarantee that the same thing will not happen again, given the corporate culture of JR, to put profit and punctuality over safety.

You can see the same thing with this building scandal over earthquake standards.
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markle



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dex wrote:
Thanks.

Just what I wanted to hear. I'll probably come over January next year with a language school job in hand, and then see what else comes my way...

Markle, just out of interest, what were salaries like when you worked in BKK.
I'm earning about 160 000 yen in my current position, but that doesn't seem to go too far in terms of saving, even with the relatively low cost of living.


Dex
I usually made around 50-60k baht (150-180k yen) but I was working a hell of a lot harder than I am now. If I really want to I could save that much a month. As it is I put away @100k without breaking a sweat.

Another thing is that I was constantly getting sick (mostly respiatory stuff) in Bkk something I haven't had trouble with here.
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Dex



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I've heard that...

What type of company do you work for? Language school / primary school / etc?
Was it fairly easy to gain decent employment? By easy, I don't mean walk-in jobs, but if you're willing to get out there, are there jobs to be had?

Is it still easy to save 100k when you're earning 250k, and would like to have at least one good night out a week?
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man, with a gf like that you got nothing to worry about. 250k will go a long way. IN fact I would say that you will be saving at least 100k a month. Its a great chance. Go for it. I wouldnt see it as a step down if I were you. It's what you save thats the name of the game for the career tefler and so therefore it would be a step in the right direction.
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earache



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you going to ban cars because they kill thousands of people every year? Lighten up.

There is no guarantee that the same thing will not happen again, given the corporate culture of JR, to put profit and punctuality over safety.

You can see the same thing with this building scandal over earthquake standards.


PaulH, I didn't say anything about banning trains, nor do I see the relevance of your second two statements in light of my last post. I just thought your little witticism was a bit inappropriate but, yeah, of course you're right. I should probably lighten up.
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Dex



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Sid.

Do you think I could get more than 250k? I get the feeling that experience counts for very little, and in fact could make you less desirable to the big language schools, who are looking for fresh faced college graduates who will follow all the rules and do things by their book.

Thats not to say that I will be a trouble-maker, but rather that I may have different teaching ideas, which I've picked up from my experience.

Also, do you think my age make me less desirable? I'm 29 this year, but will be 30 when applying in Japan.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

earache wrote:
PaulH, I didn't say anything about banning trains, nor do I see the relevance of your second two statements in light of my last post. I just thought your little witticism was a bit inappropriate but, yeah, of course you're right. I should probably lighten up.



Point taken, said in poor taste.
I think we all need a little more joy in our lives right now. I wasnt mocking the dead but simply poking fun at JR for their driving skills.
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