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shlomo



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:30 am    Post subject: advice for teaching in china Reply with quote

Hello,
I have seven years of high school social studies teaching experience, and am certified in two states. I am interested in teaching English in China in either the winter semester, or next fall. Does it make sense to go thru a recruiting agency, or should I just find a job myself? Also, there are two agency's that I am interested in- Global Crossroads Presents, and Americanchinateaching.org. Does anyone know anything about them? Are they legit.
Thanks, Shlomo
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jester



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This question has only been answered 1000 times. Do a search.
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saint57



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
This question has only been answered 1000 times. Do a search.


How do you know this? You only joined in April 2006. Were you shamed in the past as a different poster?
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Super Mario



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't heard of the 2 organisations you mention, but then I avoid recruiters.
Many schools advertise direct or you can get the info you need from a recruiter site [eg www.chinatefl.com ] then go direct to the school.

You'd have no trouble finding a decent job [ie, relatively short hours, relatively high pay in a city of your choice]. As a high school teacher myself, I enjoyed working with tertiary students, even though some are 13 masquerading as 20.
Certified teachers are quite rare amongst the EFL community in China.
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HunanForeignGuy



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:20 am    Post subject: Re: advice for teaching in china Reply with quote

shlomo wrote:
Hello,
I have seven years of high school social studies teaching experience, and am certified in two states. I am interested in teaching English in China in either the winter semester, or next fall. Does it make sense to go thru a recruiting agency, or should I just find a job myself? Also, there are two agency's that I am interested in- Global Crossroads Presents, and Americanchinateaching.org. Does anyone know anything about them? Are they legit.
Thanks, Shlomo


I apologize for the rudeness of some and the indifference of others.

Avoid Global Crossroads at all costs unless you want to have some of the worst expeiences of your life. Period.

And the same goes for the other organization.

Send me a PM. Tell me more about yourself, your education, etc., etc.,, your citizenship, are you a native speaker, etc., etc. and perhaps I can help you with some contacts.

All the best.

Hunan Foreign Guy

P.S. Just disregard the rudeness. It's not endemic around here but it does flair up now and then.
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lollercauster



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I apologize for his apology.
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jester



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I also apologise for others' rudeness. I think that it would be best if you stay away from recruiters. If you Google it you will find tons of info on teaching here.
Sorry again
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Roger



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agents can be useful to newbies who don't know the country, the conduct of employers and whatever awaits them here. Most are, however, quite unscrupulous and shun their responsibility; in fact, they merely pass you on to a paying employer who then is your boss. THe problem in such cases is that your real employer may not be in a legal position to hire you, and that's when your problems really begin snowballing!

I would recommend between 2 or 4 agents (China-based ones). Those you listed are not among them!
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grwit



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I would be carful about using agents too.

My University may be looking for new foreign teachers to begin in September. I work in Suzhou University Anhui Province. Do NOT confuse it with the suzhou in Jiangsu province.

The city is very small so don't bother trying to find it on any map. I couldn't find it even when I knew where to look. All I can say is that the closest big cities are Xuzhou (1hr North) and Bengbu (1hr South).

I will ask my boss if the positions are still available in september.
Here is my email address if you want more information: [email protected]
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mlomker



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: advice for teaching in china Reply with quote

shlomo wrote:
I am interested in teaching English in China in either the winter semester, or next fall.


I'm curious why you've decided teach English instead of what you're already doing and how long you were planning to stay. Certified teachers can get great paying jobs in International high schools (teaching foreign brats in Shanghai more likely. lol). Those positions start at 2-3 times what an entry-level English teacher would earn...
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Super Mario



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can partly answer mlomker, being both a certified teacher and a former EFLer in China.
Firstly, teaching teenaged suburban terrorists in Western high schools can wear one down. So can the 40 hour a week plus working commitment that comes with it. The salary looks good, but realistically you can spend most of the year trying to meet your credit card debt.

On the other hand, a 16 hour a week job in China, no office hours or meetings, housing and utilities supplied so that all your cash is your own........it goes a long way there, BTW. You can even save a decent amount on a decent salary. Post graduate study [now you have the time] and increased career path options come into view.

As for international schools, yes, that's another path. Be aware you'll probably put in more time than at home though, you could be teaching some precocious little darlings, and these schools are quite ageist, which might leave you unemployed in your later years.
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jeffinflorida



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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two

PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shlomo, instead of coming to China maybe you can do the world some good and join the IDF and take back Gaza, The West Bank, The REST of Jerusalem and of course, the Sinai...

Thank you...

KACH & KAHANE CHAI
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Craig!



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Re: advice for teaching in china Reply with quote

shlomo wrote:
Does it make sense to go thru a recruiting agency, or should I just find a job myself?

It makes sense. A good recruiter can be a great help, even well after placement, with information on laws customs, other opportunities, etc.
Their fee may well be worth it.

On the other hand, you can find a job yourself - and this seems to be the trend, schools hiring directly.
My advice to you, try to talk with former FTs at the school you're going to.

Recruiting is a competitive and difficult business, and many have had to lower their fees. They deal with some unscrupulous schools, and FTs post-placement problems. And many agents do not last long in the business, my recruiter among them.
i can recommend 1 or 2 good, reputable agents to you. PM me.
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orangiey



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came to China through and agent 'START' in Wuhan, and they have been wondrful. We had the paperwork/visa etc before leaving for China and they liased with the school regarding collection at the train station, housing problems etc.

The agent doesn't charge us a fee, it's the school who pay her.

She has also told if we want to go to another city next year she can help us!!!

Think about it, perhaps look my agent up

Start consulting, Wuhan
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shlomo



Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:42 am    Post subject: teaching in China Reply with quote

I'd like to thank everyone who responded to my query. Your reply's were exremely helpful (except for a couple of %&&^^&'s). Thanks again, Shlomo
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