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barry3000
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 Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:53 am Post subject: return airfare |
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| a new teacher came to china to teach in a kindergarten, she came for a six month contract and initially it would seem that the contract said return airfare would be reimbursed now they only want to reimburse half for a six month deal... has anyone ever heard of or had this experience before? I have spoken to the person who told her she would only get half for six months and I explained that to a westerner it doesn't matter how long you come for 6 days, 6 months, 6 years we would expect a full return airfare... any thoughts? |
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jester
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| It's is fairly standard. 6 months - one way, 1year - return. They probably meant airfare to "return" home. |
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Voldermort
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:00 am Post subject: |
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Have you read your friends contract? It should state exactly how much airfare she should receive.
Normally for a 1 year contract you would get a full round trip. 6 months, then that becomes a one way. All of these details should have been negotiated and agreed to before your friend came to China. If your friend has a valid contract and the school is legit, she can go to the Foreign affairs office in the city who would probably aid her. Though if she has been working illegaly, she doesn't have a leg to stand on. |
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jester
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| That's exactly what I said, Opinion. |
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Voldermort
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:15 am Post subject: |
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Fruitcake,
I happened to be writing that at the same time you were swatting flies from your keyboard. |
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barry3000
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| yes but why should that be... whatever way she is having to go back home why should she have to fund half of it herself... they asked her to come here... didn't they? she is legit has full work permit and z visa fromthe school |
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acwilliams
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Location: Now in China, soon moving on
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| yes but why should that be... whatever way she is having to go back home why should she have to fund half of it herself... they asked her to come here... didn't they? she is legit has full work permit and z visa fromthe school |
Look at it from the school's point of view for a moment - they don't want to pay two sets of outward and return tickets in one year (one set for your friend, one set for her replacement). |
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Voldermort
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| barry3000 wrote: |
| yes but why should that be... whatever way she is having to go back home why should she have to fund half of it herself... they asked her to come here... didn't they? she is legit has full work permit and z visa fromthe school |
Why should it be any other way? She signed the contract, she agreed to the terms. If she doesn't like it there is no point to complain now, she should have complained before signing.
Many countries do not offer any airfare at all. |
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jester
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:29 am Post subject: |
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This is crass - brace, brace.
The flies are on my buckets of food, actually. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: Re: return airfare |
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| barry3000 wrote: |
| she came for a six month contract and initially it would seem that the contract said return airfare would be reimbursed now they only want to reimburse half for a six month deal... |
Do we know what the contract stated in this regard? I am unclear what you mean by 'it would seem'. Does that mean that the teacher in question thought that she was entitled to it? Or does it mean that the contract was misleading or ambiguous?
I think that sometimes contracts are ambiguous when it comes to airline ticket reimbursement. I have seen contracts that state the provision of 'a return ticket' which to me means a ticket here and back (return). When you look at the Chinese though they are referring to the return portion of the journey only. If you think of it in Chinese terms then you can certainly understand the confusion from their point of view. In Chinese a two way return ticket would be called a lai hui piao (which literally means a come return ticket). So it seems obvious to them perhaps that as you have already come here (lai) you only need to return (hui) so you only need a return ticket!  And therein lies the confusion that leads to misunderstandings.
As others have pointed out however the standard deal is a one way ticket (either here or back home) for a six month contract, and a two way (return ticket) for a twelve month contract.
This is definitely something that is worth confirming with the school when considering a contract. |
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jester
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Well said. It took you an essay to say what I did in one sentence. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: Return Airfare |
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| jester wrote: |
This is crass - brace, brace.
The flies are on my buckets of food, actually. |
Notwithstanding all of the flaming from one of these very,very newbies, the OP's question deserves a serious answer. It seems to me that Dave's is, and should be a place, particularly in the China Section, where in terms of the PRC itself there is such a paucity of formalized information, that Dave's should be a place where questions can and should be asked politely and and where such questions can and should be answered politely. As Cheeky, a long time poster, noted elsewhere, the flaming around here has gotten out of control again recently, to wit.
Yes, it is completely, completely, completely standardized practice in China contractually to offer a one-way airfare after six-months of service and a return airfare after one year of service.
That being said, as many of us old China hands know, in many cases, good cases good luck with the airfare. Period. Sometimes it will be paid. Sometimes it will not be paid. Sometimes you will be fired one day before the end of the contract so that it does not have to be paid, etc., etc. In the more solid state schools, this is not an issue. In the established private schools, this is not an issue. But for all of the schools in between, good luck.
In terms of one-way and return airfare, however, most of the Institutions look to SAFEA for cover. If the "guidelines" are to pay a one-way ticket after six months, then that is what the institutions in China will do, etc.
Regards,
HunanForeignGuy
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jester
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| Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't know who you are referring to, I was flaming CWG. Your quote has nothing to do with flaming. And again, you have just said in an essay what I've said in one sentence. |
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kev7161
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Jester is not a "newbie" - - he is an "oldie" with a new name.
Anymore these days, I see offers on FULL YEAR contracts offering to only buy a one-way ticket back home for the teacher (or the cash equivalent - - around four or five thousand rmb). Agreed to what most posters above have already said. Check the contract - - it should easily specify exactly what the school will reimburse for a 1/2 year contract. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:06 am Post subject: Re: return airfare |
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| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| I have seen contracts that state the provision of 'a return ticket' which to me means a ticket here and back (return). |
Gee, Clark, you ought to start checking out Ft. Lauderdale nursing homes. When anyone in the northern hemisphere reads "a return ticket" they understand that to mean a ticket to return home. How you happened to get from home to here in the first place is your own problem -- a separate issue. |
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