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Is "gaijin" a bad word?
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Is "gaijin" a bad word?
Yes, you shouldn't use it
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 51%  [ 22 ]
No, it is ok
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 48%  [ 21 ]
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Nagoyaguy



Joined: 15 May 2003
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Location: Aichi, Japan

PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BJ Stud said;
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An adult like Nagoyaguy getting upset about a word just shows he is a cry baby! But calling a child a name to make him or her different from eveyone else is just wrong.


And no Nagoyaguy, I was not threatening you. How in the world could you assume that? Assumptions like that is what makes me concern that you are doing too much drugs and so I wanted you to know the risk you are taking!



Getting upset? Nah, not really. Frankly, it's not worth too much of my time. I do tend to care about what kind of Japan my son grows up in, though.

Perhaps one day you will grow up enough to understand.

Perhaps...
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Big John Stud



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[color=red]quote="Nagoyaguy"]BJ Stud said;
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An adult like Nagoyaguy getting upset about a word just shows he is a cry baby! But calling a child a name to make him or her different from eveyone else is just wrong.


And no Nagoyaguy, I was not threatening you. How in the world could you assume that? Assumptions like that is what makes me concern that you are doing too much drugs and so I wanted you to know the risk you are taking!



Getting upset? Nah, not really. Frankly, it's not worth too much of my time. I do tend to care about what kind of Japan my son grows up in, though.

Perhaps one day you will grow up enough to understand.

Perhaps...[/quote]
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Okay! Nicely put Nagoyaguy. I take what I wrote earlier back, you are not a cry baby. This post shows you are an alright person.
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buddhaboyjp



Joined: 24 Jan 2006
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Location: Dai Po, Tai Wo

PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:


Secondly, to answer your (rhetorical) question, soba: YES! I absolutely expect to be accorded the same rights, respect and consideration as a Japanese citizen.

You seem to be confusing two very different issues here.... The rights of a citizen versus basic human rights which should be respected regardless of citizenship.



Good stuff there Jim.
It would seem only common sense that 'basic human rights' come first.
Under no condition do I wish to be treated equally as a Japanese citizen, though I do have permanant residency that does next to nothing for me.
Maybe they will hire me at the local Pichinko?
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Like a Rolling Stone



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slap me sideways! (On second thoughts don't Laughing ) This must be the most controversial question. It is still neck and neck 50-50!!!! Shocked Thanks for the input guys and gals Exclamation You know who you are Wink
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sallycat



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jim dunlop: nicely put.
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luckyloser700



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Setting: mid-1960s, an average American city

Apartment rental office: a well dressed African-American couple sits in chairs, while the building manager is speaking to the owner on the telephone.

MANAGER: Yes, Mr. Jones. I have a couple interested in unit 3B. They are negroes sir....(pause)... I understand sir... But they are good negroes. They have references... (pause)... Yes, sir. Very well.... I will... Goodbye...

MANAGER (to the couple): I've spoken to the building owner and he apologizes but I wasn't aware that... um... they will be renovating that unit starting next month.

What do YOU think really happened?


It's a little too much to compare the conditions for foreigners living in Japan to those that existed (or continue to exist) for African-Americans. Almost all African-Americans are descended from a group of people who didn't choose to go to America in the first place.
I understand the point being made here and I won't defend racism on any level. I like living here and would like to see some attitudes change, but I think there are more apt comparisons. It just seems a little insulting to African-Americans to suggest that the average foreigner who faces discrimination in Japan could even begin to understand what it's like to be an African-American, especially one who was around during the 60's.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every analogy, metaphor or comparison will be accurate only to a certain point, and beyond that will fail. That is the nature of the beast.

As long as you can grasp the spirit of what I'm trying to say, I agree that the depth of racism faced by African-Americans is in a different league than what we are talking about here -- but I think that the comparison is accurate enough for the required purpose. If you think that's not the case, I'd challenge you to come up with a more apt analogy.

JD
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angrysoba



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jim, spare us all your sanctimonious drivel. If your analogy is only correct "up to a point" then it it is not correct.



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We should have the courage to fight racism regardless of whether we are privileged or not.
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What is the most courageous thing you have ever done Jim? Tell a Japanese man that he shouldn't use the word "gaijin"?

How dare you tell us that you are being courageous by saying such things. If that is the only thing that makes you courageous then you have a lot to learn.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

angrysoba: Are you naturally an ass or do you have to work at it?

EVERY analogy will eventually break down.

Enough said.
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The Dog Ate My Keitai



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Posts: 67
Location: Japan

PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

angrysoba wrote:
Jim, spare us all your sanctimonious drivel. If your analogy is only correct "up to a point" then it it is not correct.

What is the most courageous thing you have ever done Jim? Tell a Japanese man that he shouldn't use the word "gaijin"?

How dare you tell us that you are being courageous by saying such things. If that is the only thing that makes you courageous then you have a lot to learn.


Last time I checked, Jim already gave examples of what he has been doing to fight racism and provided some links to resources too. I don't see why he should have to repeat himself in this thread.

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=37224&start=30
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angrysoba



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
angrysoba: Are you naturally an ass or do you have to work at it?

EVERY analogy will eventually break down.

Enough said.


I'm naturally an ass Jim, and I work at it. So your question is not of the either/or variety that you thought it was.
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

angrysoba wrote:

I'm naturally an ass Jim, and I work at it. So your question is not of the either/or variety that you thought it was.


Fair enough. I stand corrected.

Smile
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angrysoba



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PostPosted: Mon May 01, 2006 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wink
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Chris12



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big John Stud wrote:
guijin is insulting to only people who are so weak minded that anything bothers them.

Guijin is just a word that means none-Japanese. Outsider and we none Japanese are outsiders in that we come from another country another culture.

I even teach kids 10 little guijins, instead of 10 little Indeans.

Too funny those who wrote about Japanese being racest. At least there is not a baseball team or any team called the guijin as there are in the U.S. Redskin is a derogatory term for Native Americans.
And I would rather be called guijin than have riots like what is going on in Australia. As I stated guijin only bothers those with a weak mind!



John you shouldn't teach 10 little guijins! That isn't even funny!
Try teaching them this song. I know the kids where I teach love it.
It goes something like this:


A guijin is a sub-human born outside of Japan. He's just plain stupid as stupid as can be! He doesn't know his left foot from his right! Not all the guijin live abroad, every day you see quite a few!

And another favorite is
If you are a guijin and you know it clap you hands!
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Big John Stud



Joined: 07 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris12 wrote:
[color=yellow]John you shouldn't teach 10 little guijins! That isn't even funny!
Try teaching them this song. I know the kids where I teach love it.
It goes something like this:


A guijin is a sub-human born outside of Japan. He's just plain stupid as stupid as can be! He doesn't know his left foot from his right! Not all the guijin live abroad, every day you see quite a few!

And another favorite is
If you are a guijin and you know it clap you hands!



Thanks 12! I tried those songs today, and the kids loved them! Very Happy
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