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clark.w.griswald · Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056

I really think that the general nature of questions asked really dictates the quality of the answers given. Miyazkai's post is a good example. I think it is great that he has taken the time to write what he wrote, but I really question that validity of the answers as far as being helpful. I believe that a bit of research would have yielded far more valuable information but each to his own I guess. The good thing is that these opinions spur discussion and this can sometimes be informative.

Ki · Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 475

You think 50 to 70 k a month is overstating things? I would say 60k is the minimum acceptably salary. But you're better off being paid a wage anyway. There are usually more than four weeks in a month. Try to get 600 an hour but as a new teacher you should be prepared to accept 550. The salary figures are based on a 25 hour week. Which is all you would want to work as a new teacher. It is possible to earn in excess of 100k if you work near impossible hours. But you don't want to get burned out too quickly.

jonks · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 1240

clark.w.griswald · Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056

Ki · Joined: 23 Jul 2004 Posts: 475

Well yeah, 100k is misleading for a new teacher. It is certainly possible but certainly don't expect anything even near it. I would still state 60k as being a nice normal wage. Don't forget that this is often exlusive of holidays, etc.

SanChong · Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 335

100K per month is entirely unrealistic. Please show me even ONE job at that much per month. If you have a basic job earning 50-60K and then want to take on private tutoring and 2nd jobs, then it is possible. However, you aren't going to have much of a life then (as Ki said) and it's illegal to work at a 2nd school.

For a new teacher between 50-60K per month is totally realistic and is the going rate. As Ki said, if you are paid 550NT per hour for 25 hours per week, which works out to 55,000 a month. That is a very normal wage for a new teacher. Earning that much money per month will be more than enough to live comfortably on and save a little money. Also, remember that teaching 25 hours per week/ 100 per month is a FULL schedule of teaching. That is enough hours if you are preparing for your classes properly (another 15 hours per week). You will be tired and burn out quickly if you teach much more than that.

I never really understand why people come to Taiwan PRIMARILY for money. Why do you want to travel halfway across the world to work 9am-9pm everyday? You could make 4 times as much money working those hours by being a lawyer or in the Corporate world back home. If you work too many hours teaching, you will be just as bitter as all those lawyers and businessmen back home.

If you want to come to Taiwan to experience a nice lifestyle, living in a new and interesting culture and earn a good salary and save some money... then you will be very satisfied.
If you want to maximize your earnings and work yourself to the bone... you will likely be unhappy and bitter, just as you would at home.

clark.w.griswald · Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056

Miyazaki · Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 635 Location: My Father's Yacht

SanChong · Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 335

Without a 2nd ARC, it is certainly illegal to work at a 2nd school.

Feel free to ask the people who were deported last year for confirmation.

Miyazaki · Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 635 Location: My Father's Yacht

SanChong · Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 335

Miyazaki, I think this entire situation would be helped if you would read the following definitions:

Fact: Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact. (from Dictionary.com)

What we are telling people are just that, FACTS. Disagree all you want. Tell me that the world is flat and that UFO's exist. Enjoy saying these things. It really doesn't matter.

The FACT is that you can't work at a 2nd job in Taiwan without a 2nd ARC. Clark has shown you the legislation, yes the ACTUAL LAW, several times. So, stop disagreeing with the rest of us and take it up with the Taiwanese government.

markholmes · Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 661 Location: Wengehua

I seem to remember this same discussion a year and a half ago that involved the major posters on this board and the conclusion in fact was that you can indeed work for two schools legally and that you can have a second school added to your ARC. At least that was the opinion of Steve and Clark as I recall. In fact here it is;
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=16524&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
Or if that doesn't work search for; 'Ownership of your Alien Resident Certificate (ARC)' from Novemmber 13th 2004.

It rambled on a bit, but I think you ought to read it San Chong.

Has that now changed?

clark.w.griswald · Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056

SanChong · Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 335

Yes, of course, you are correct Clark.

You only have one ARC. The new school needs to apply for a 2nd work permit for you. I always just think of it as a "2nd ARC".
Thanks for clarifying that.

Mark, I wasn't saying that you can't work at a 2nd school, only that you needed to have a work permit to do so legally.
Of course, I realize this doesn't stop very many people from doing so and the risk is small. Still, it helps people to be aware of the facts.

markholmes · Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 661 Location: Wengehua

Miyazaki wrote: