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MeiMei · Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 35

I got this Email from a recruter in China. It does not sound right.

PS I have two college diplomas (Three years) and One Year teaching in Japan.

EMAIL

Hello Jean and Richard

Thank you for your very well-presented response to our posting. I'm certainly interested in knowing more about you. Your date of availability suits us, as we expect to need at least one more teacher, if not two, from mid- to late August.

The chief problem could be that, under the new government regulations, you would not be eligible for a long-term Z visa. This is because of the short period of teaching experience. See below, for visa details. There may be some way around this problem, but I don't know of one. We could probably offer only a shorter period of employment.

If, after you've waded through the information below, you're still interested, please get back to me, with photos, and your thoughts about the period of employment.

Super Mario · Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 1:58 am Post subject:

That was an English speaker responding to you.
There is no "long term Z visa", only a one year renewable one. Experience is not a pre-requisite, unless a particular school decides to make it one, and in any case, a year in Japan is ample.
There are many fish in the Chinese ocean. I think I gave you some links, so explore further. Beware recruiters and private language mills.

MeiMei · Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 35

Never Mind she is Talking about an F visa (Why would I want an F-VISA I need a Z-Visa

Super Mario · Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 2:18 am Post subject:

An F visa is not a work visa. Alarm bells should be ringing: this is an outfit not licensed to hire!

MeiMei · Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 35

Yup thats what I figered when I noticed the F-Visa thanks for the help

Malsol · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou

Interesting spin on an old scam.

YOU only qualify for a short term visa.

We won't tell you that we are not licensed to hire a foreign teacher, we will blame YOUR credentials.

Sinobear · Joined: 24 Aug 2004 Posts: 1269 Location: Purgatory

Ahem. The writer is referring to your one year of experience. The new Z-visa regulations (especially for Guangdong) require that you have TWO YEARS teaching experience.

Cheers!

WordUp · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 131

Actually, the reinforcement of these laws require schools comply with visa regulations or they get fined pretty hefty fees. Richard has three years college experience (no BA) which is a requirement in most provinces now.

His options are quite limited.

Gregor · Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia

I have to concur with WordUp. China is getting strict about visa regulations. They haven't CHANGED; they are merely being enforced.
I JUST left a DoS position in which I had to get creative in my hiring practices. It all seemed kind of dodgy and in fact it WAS dodgy. I never had a problem with any of the teachers I hired; it depends on what you want to risk, I guess. You'd probably be safe accepting a job with a language mill, but no guarantees.

Oh, and by the way, language mills are generally NOT to be avoided, at least for getting your foot in the door and getting yourself to China in the first place. They generally pay on time with little hassle. A lot of people here will talk them down, but that's more snobbery than anything. You won't get any concrete reasons not to go that route here. You'll get your fair share of horror stories, but they are one-offs. as in, avoid THIS school, in THIS province, in 2002, or something. It usually goes like this:
"In 2002, I had this bad thing happen (which may or may not have been MY OWN BLOODY FAULT), at this particular branch of this particular school chain; the management did this and that, and blah blah blah, and therefore you should avoid all language mills of any sort in any city in the Republic."
There's no constructive help in that.
EF tends to be good. That's who I worked for. I'd recommend that chain, with cautious reservation (and ALL recommendations should be taken with that particular grain of salt).

Super Mario · Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject:

I believe Gregor to be a good bloke: honest and upfront. However, language mills, including EF , are to be treated warily. Often they are franchises, sold to the highest bidder. Profit is the motive, which is fair enough, but there are few ethics in Chinese business. There are many experienced long time China hands who have been burned badly by language mills. Howver, as many of them advertise on commercial ESL sites, these tales don't always get the exposure they should.

One independent school review site is:
http://www.chinaschoolreview.net/

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Calories · Joined: 17 Jun 2005 Posts: 361 Location: Chinese Food Hell

I think you need to come to Jiangsu.

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