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ls650



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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: salary and cost of living Reply with quote

Ben Round de Bloc wrote:
Ouch! I make a little more than 6,000 pesos per month but not a lot more.

Including vales and bonuses, you only make 6000+ per month? With your level of experience, I should think you'd be earning far more. You might want to take a look at what other jobs are available in Mexico; yeah, I can see staying in a place if you're happy, but 6000 pesos is mighty low! I'd be surprised if you couldn't find a job that pays more like 10,000 per month.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 12:18 am    Post subject: Re: salary and cost of living Reply with quote

ls650 wrote:
Including vales and bonuses, you only make 6000+ per month? With your level of experience, I should think you'd be earning far more. You might want to take a look at what other jobs are available in Mexico; yeah, I can see staying in a place if you're happy . . .


That doesn't include vales, vacation pay, and aguinaldo. There are no bonuses where I work.

I'm comfortable with the amount I earn, and I like living here. Why would I want to live somewhere else just to earn a little more money?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to agree with those that think you earn too little Tim. But, you can't put a price on the intangibles. If you are fine with what you make and what you have, then more power to you.

Choosing Mexico is never about the money anyway, wherever you go in this fine country. I'm sure posters over there in the middle east and parts of Asia would guffaw if they read us quibbling over the small amounts everyone makes here. But...I'd still stack up the lifestyle here against money in other places, any day of the week and every inch of the guey.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 1:25 am    Post subject: Re: salary and cost of living Reply with quote

Ben Round de Bloc wrote:
[Why would I want to live somewhere else just to earn a little more money?
Certainly I don't disagree: if you're happy, that's worth a fortune in itself. I could be teaching in Asia and banking the equivalent of several thousand pesos per month, but I'd much rather be here in Mexico.

However, having less savings in the bank does concern me when I think about the distant future...
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Dragonlady



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ls650



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragonlady wrote:
I appreciate that many of you are still working towards the traditional American Dream

I can't speak for others, but I'm not talking about "working towards the American (or Canadian) Dream" - I just want a few extra dollars in the bank for a rainy day!
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of the "problems" on Dave's -- which should be obvious but sometimes gets lost in the mix -- is that, even though we have the commonality of EFL among us, we're all living and working in this country for different reasons. We have different goals, different ideas about what's good/bad, different ambitions, and different things that make us happy/unhappy, etc.

The quote above is something I recently wrote to someone in an e-mail. I can add to it by saying that we aren't all in the same phase of our lives. If I were 30 years old -- or 40 or 50 -- my goals, wants, and needs would be different than they are at my age. I plan to retire or at least semi-retire within 2 years, and I believe I've found the place where I want to do that. This makes me sound old-fogyish, but I began teaching before some regular posters on this forum were born. I'm not looking for more work or more money, nor am I looking for professional advancement. I don't want or need to relocate. I've found a place where I can continue to enjoy teaching until I retire and a place where I can continue to enjoy life after that.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an old story. I'm sure many of you are already familiar with it.

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The Fisherman!

The American businessman was at the pier of a small coastal Mexican village when a small boat with just one fisherman docked. Inside the small boat were several large yellowfin tuna. The American complimented the Mexican on the quality of his fish and asked how long it took to catch them.

The Mexican replied that it hadn't taken him very long. The American then asked why he didn't stay out longer and catch more fish. The Mexican said he had enough to support his family's immediate needs. The American then asked, "But what do you do with the rest of your time?"

The Mexican fisherman said, "I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take a siesta with my wife, and then stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my amigos. I have a full and busy life, se�or."

The American scoffed, "I am a Harvard MBA and could help you. You should spend more time fishing and buy a bigger boat with the proceeds. With the proceeds from the bigger boat, you could buy several boats, and eventually you would have a fleet of fishing boats. Instead of selling your catch to a middleman, you would sell directly to the processor, eventually opening your own cannery. You would control the product, processing, and distribution. You would need to leave this small coastal fishing village and move to Mexico City, then to LA and eventually to NYC, where you would run your expanding enterprise."

The Mexican fisherman asked, "But se�or, how long will this all take?"

To which the American replied, "Only about 20 years."

"But what then, se�or?"

The American laughed and said, "That's the best part. When the time is right, you would announce an IPO and sell your company stock to the public and become very rich. You would make millions."

"Millions, se�or? Then what?"

The American said, "Then you would retire and move to a small coastal fishing village where you would sleep late, fish a little, play with your grandchildren, take a siesta with your wife, and then stroll to the village in the evenings where you could sip wine and play your guitar with your amigos."

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samizinha



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don�t know about anybody else, but any tiny illusions that I had about siestas, sleeping late and strolling into a village have not happened yet. Being at the Tec in Mexico City probably contributes to this. I work at 7am, which means that I get up at 5:30 for work. I have to work at least 9 hours a day, but because of the workload, often put in more hours than that- a lot of weekeneds as well. This is common with my co-workers too.
I don�t want this to come off as whining, because I completely love Mexico. I could see myself here for quite a while, but it would be because of the people and my interest in art and culture here- definately not money or working conditions...
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M@tt



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Mexican fisherman said, "I sleep late, fish a little, play with my children, take a siesta with my wife, and then stroll into the village each evening where I sip wine and play guitar with my amigos. I have a full and busy life, se�or."


does this version of the mexican fisherman still exist? i don't know anyone in DF, nor did i know anyone in the sleepy town of fortin de las flores, who actually spends their free time sipping wine, playing guitar with friends, taking siestas (with my wife? ha ha ha), etc. it would be great if this type of quijote were still around but i have my doubts.
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bootsy



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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know quite a few places like this on the coast of Chiapas.

I'd like to add my two cents to this topic by backing up the statements made by Ben. I earn, in my current uni position, around the same amount as Ben and I have to say that I make it just fine. I earn enough to live in a lovely colonial house which is actually too big for my small family, eat out in restaurants at least once a week and travel on my frequent holidays. I make enough to put in the bank each month. Of course, I am in one of the poorest state (maybe the poorest in Mexico), life is cheap. I only work 25 hours a week, teaching hours. A normal schedule is 10-12 and then 4-7. I have lots of free time to play with my daughter and have an active social life. I could make more (and I have, taking classes at other schools) but for me it wasnt worth it.

I have also worked at the uni on the Oaxacan coast (only one semester)and earned my 10,000 pesos a month but at a great cost. An awful schedule (8-1 and 4-7) and a not so great work environment (sorry Is650). When I was there there was a punch clock as well as two uneducated guys that gave us teachers "tickets" for being late to class or whatever (even if I was late due to students in my office with a question or problem, and when I say late I'm talking no more than five-ten minutes maybe once every two months.) I found the environment to be less than desired. While at my much lower paying job my quality of life is much better and my creative freedom as a teacher much more expansive. I currently teach British/American Literature, History of English, Sociolinguistics and two advanced conversation classes. I enjoy Mexico and my current position (although at this moment I'm on a break for family reasons but I will be returning for the next semester).

I think its great that Ben has found his happiness at a mere 6000 pesos a month job. It sounds like he is an older fellow with some experience and I say more power to him. I'm 31 and when I started this career I was only concerned about traveling and finding the best beach with the cheapest beer, now I'm older, wiser (more stuff on my CV Smile , and raising a young daughter. I'm trying to find the best life to give her. After seeing all of the problems with kids in the States, I am much more concerned with giving her more of my time than money.

I apologize for going so off topic, but I don't think it will be the first time its happened here on the Mexico forum.

Happy Teachers Day!
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was a nice post. Actually, in my area $6000.00 is not that off-the-wall either. It's a rather respectable local wage. I not so long ago had classes of 35 students each, full time and I was making only a shade above that, perhaps $6200.00. I was the only foreign teacher in the Elementary school, and I took a que from my Mexican co-workers that this was a prestigeous job and they felt very well paid. I also took issue with the time clock. My feet were impaled by heels more times than I can count as everyone arrived a little late at the same time and converged on the dreaded time clock. Being Canadian I hadn't learned yet to be quite as pushy. After my pay was docked for tardiness I learned to use my heels as weapons too! Wink

Incidentally, I don't know many Mexican men, nevermind fisherman who sip WINE! Somewhere along the way, that story got changed. Maybe in the Yukon or Alaska, wine is being drunk by the fisherman, but not in Mexico. Beer is the name of the game here. That's funny to picture.
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Ben Round de Bloc



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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:
Incidentally, I don't know many Mexican men, nevermind fisherman who sip WINE!

That struck me as really weird, too. I almost edited the story by changing "wine" to "beer" before posting it.
- Oye, cabr�n, �prefieres tinto, blanco, o rosado?
- Dame una lager, guey.


Samantha wrote:
I also took issue with the time clock.

When I first started working at the university here, having to use a time clock irritated the hell out of me. It still does somewhat. However, I'm sure that if there were no time clock, an even larger percentage of my co-workers would arrive late and leave early. As is, it's not all that rare to see teachers "discretely" checking other teachers' time cards for them, so they don't get docked pay.

What was the original topic of this thread? Embarassed
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cwc



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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2006 1:55 am    Post subject: Re: salary and cost of living Reply with quote

ls650 wrote:
I could be teaching in Asia and banking the equivalent of several thousand pesos per month


Several thousand PESOS. Wow! What would you do with it all?
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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: salary and cost of living Reply with quote

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Several thousand PESOS. Wow! What would you do with it all?
Save until it adds up to several thousand DOLLARS, and then spend it, of course.
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