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jeffinflorida
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 Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: Another visa question...(and I am not exactly a newbie ) |
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Ok my Z visa expires in July.
My employer is an English school but they are not certified to get Z visas just yet. They said they should get this certification at the end of July.
Seeing that i have always worked on a Z visa my question is this: Can PSB extend my Z visa for 30-60-90 days? I remember a post where I suggested that someone go to PSB for a visa extension but I do not remember if they had a Z or other visa. I remember they said they managed to get an extension with no hassle.
The school said that if they do not get the certification by July then I will have to go to HK and get a new non Z visa until they have the certification. And yes work on that non Z visa until they get legality to get visas.
Input please.
My current employer did not secure this Z visa, a past employer did. |
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Super Mario
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Location: Australia, previously China
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry, but I think you're already illegal, given that:
a] You're working for an outfit not licensed to hire foreigners.
b] Your Z visa [meaning resident permit, right?] was issued to you via a previous employer. This permit is only valid for that employer. If you don't have an RP, you're in even deeper.
So going cap in hand to the PSB is not an option. Going to HK for an L visa is pointless. You'd still be illegal, though you may get away with it.
Your only course of action from my POV is to get an F visa in HK [all expenses paid by your school of course], and that they then write you a contract clearly stating that you are employed as a consultant, not as a teacher.
My thoughts only. Others are certain to differ. |
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WordUp
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, I just did some work with http://journeyeast.org on this exact issue.
Firstly, Z-visa is not same as residence permit. your school needs to apply for your residence permit status. How were they able to issue you a Z visa without having license in the first place?
Yes, you can have the local PSB extend your Z-visa, but Z visa is usually only good for 30 days, and the extension is usually not more than thirty days, so if right now its beyond thirty days you may (or your school) will have to pay a fine. and if you didnt register in the local PSB when you got to that area within 48 hours, then there might be a fine for that too.. I've heard varying stories about that.
What is confusing about your post is that you have a Z-visa. In order to get the Z-visa, you have already provided documentation to show that you qualify for being officially invited under the Z visa status. So, that being said, the only thing left to do is for the school to process the resident permit formalities. Have they ever done that before? Do you have a college degree and meet the requirements for the Z visa? Reason I ask is because I've heard some people who came to China on Z visa, who didnt have college degree (Zhejiang) were not allowed resident permit, (even though they somehow got the Z visa) and then the school was fined and teacher had to go home. happened at a school right next to me.
Who issued you the Z visa to begin with? A former employer or your prsent one?
If you go to Hong Kong to get a tourist visa and then come back to China, you'll have to go back to Hong Kong again once you get the paperwork in order.. they very likely will not be able to convert it.
Theres some more information about this at http://ChinaVisaService.org
Good luck! |
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Super Mario
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| Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: |
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The OP said:
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My employer is an English school but they are not certified to get Z visas just yet. |
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| My current employer did not secure this Z visa, a past employer did |
, which I think clarifies the situation. My belief is that fronting the PSB and saying "Hi, I'm working illegally, and wish to extend my Z visa" may not bring a favorable response. Obviously his school doesn't wish to do it for him, either.
And yes, I know a visa and a RP are different things, as are HIV and AIDS. But one is a necessary precursor for the other to occur. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: Re: Another visa question...(and I am not exactly a newbie ) |
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| jeffinflorida wrote: |
| Seeing that i have always worked on a Z visa my question is this: Can PSB extend my Z visa for 30-60-90 days? I remember a post where I suggested that someone go to PSB for a visa extension but I do not remember if they had a Z or other visa. I remember they said they managed to get an extension with no hassle. |
Things certainly may have changed, but it used to be that your employer had to sign off on any extensions. You might want to ask at the PSB -- by phone, of course.
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| The school said that if they do not get the certification by July then I will have to go to HK and get a new non Z visa until they have the certification. And yes work on that non Z visa until they get legality to get visas. |
A lot of people do it on either "F" or "L" visas. Whichever one you choose is the same. Few people get caught. You'd have to be pretty unlucky. |
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jeffinflorida
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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So let me ask. If the school can not supply a legal Z visa in the future then I will , of course, work illegally.
1- Do I still have to pay taxes if I am illegal?
2- Can I get a tourist visa with a long term of staying - like 6 months or more? I don't want to run to HK too much.
(last option is I get a part time 16 hour a week position, at a local university and have them get me a Z and then work both places.) |
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saint57
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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1- Do I still have to pay taxes if I am illegal?
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I remember when I was in Korea, my school took taxes from an illegal teacher. I don't think that particular teacher put 2 and 2 together. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| jeffinflorida wrote: |
So let me ask. If the school can not supply a legal Z visa in the future then I will , of course, work illegally.
1- Do I still have to pay taxes if I am illegal?
2- Can I get a tourist visa with a long term of staying - like 6 months or more? I don't want to run to HK too much.
(last option is I get a part time 16 hour a week position, at a local university and have them get me a Z and then work both places.) |
A lot depends on where you are. I have known schools to withhold taxes from illegal workers and even give an official tax receipt. I think the Tax Bureau doesn't care and there is no communication between the PSB and tax authorities -- gee, just like home!
The length of stay depends on your nationality and if you have family here. Americans can get a one-year tourist visa if they have family here.
Supposedly you can't work part-time (or so it will say in your university contract usually), but almost everybody -- even Roger -- does it. |
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jeffinflorida
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 12:06 am Post subject: |
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16 hours is actually a full time position in the local schools.
So I can get a tourist visa that allows me to stay in china for up to 1 year without leaving?
Ok I have to check this out as plan b. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Mon May 15, 2006 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| jeffinflorida wrote: |
16 hours is actually a full time position in the local schools.
So I can get a tourist visa that allows me to stay in china for up to 1 year without leaving?
Ok I have to check this out as plan b. |
I mean, you can't hold another job while working for the employer who got the work visa for you -- or so it is supposed to be. But nobody pays attention to this.
A lot depends on your nationality and other items like family. I know Americans who have a Chinese spouse and they get 1 year multiple entry tourist "L" visas. |
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