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Third person 's' and the evolution of the English language
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Capergirl



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Location: Nova Scotia, Canada

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Celeste wrote:
In my hometown in Northern British Columbia, Canada, we have a local dialect that incorrectly uses the past participle verb form. "I seen him yesterday." " I done my homework before dinner." are quite common and punctuated with plenty of "eh"s and "F***"s. We have quaint local phrases such as "yeah, eh"(to agree with an affirmative stament), "yeah, no, eh" (to agree with a negative statement) and "F*** yeah, eh" (to strongly agree with an affirmative statement).


Gee, Celeste, I didn't know BC'ers could speak Cape Bretonese! Laughing "I seen" and "I done" are very common here, too. Students often ask me questions about it after talking with people in the community, so I try to include it in a lesson. Generally, I will include it with a listening/speaking lesson on reduction...I just add on a little side lesson about the local slang and the types of things that they will hear (common slang and idioms) in the local area. My students often ask me why I don't speak like the other people they hear in the community. Well, I do a bit, but I don't say "I seen" or "I done". However, if I'm talking with my friends, I'll talk faster and use some local slang...it's just habit really. In the classroom, I use very standardized, "proper" English.

I think the issue of slang is more relevant in ESL than EFL teaching. IMO, students are more likely to hear "proper" (i.e. grammatically correct) English spoken by foreigners making an effort to converse with them in their own countries, whereas they are more likely to hear slang and fast English when they are in an English-speaking country. I find that the local people here assume too much about my students' proficiency and don't make any effort to slow down their speech and/or use more standardized English (omitting the slang and the idioms). Inevitably, the local folks will ask my students if they understand and the students will nod and stare blankly. Rolling Eyes So I tell my students that they have to ask people to speak more slowly or to repeat something they didn't understand. The students tend to get discouraged in the beginning because the only people they understand are the ESL instructors. Confused

Oddly enough, my Emirati students had an easier time catching on to the local slang because they'd had Canadian teachers in the UAE before coming to Canada. My Angolan students find it easier to understand British speakers because all of their EFL teachers had been from the UK. When I play an audiotape with a British speaker, the Angolans understand the speaker quite easily, whereas I have to really listen to grasp the meaning. Wink
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Stephen Jones



Joined: 21 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The standard question tag in Indian and Sri Lankan Engish is "No"

"This bugger big problem, no?"
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khmerhit



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A funny thing happened to me on the way to the forum, eh? /yeah?/wha? /what? /innit? /no?/ dude ya listening?/n'est-ce pas?/ by golly?/

's a funny olde worlde, yeah?-- innit mahvelous Laughing
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Capergirl



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

khmerhit wrote:
A funny thing happened to me on the way to the forum, eh? /yeah?/wha? /what? /innit? /no?/ dude ya listening?/n'est-ce pas?/ by golly?/

's a funny olde worlde, yeah?-- innit mahvelous Laughing


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