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ironopolis
Joined: 01 Apr 2004
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| yamanote senbei wrote: |
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Yes.
You still didn't say where you heard that from. |
It was from a Nova staff member in a position to know. |
What kind of staff and how were they in a position to know?
Still doesn't sound that this is much more than idle gossip being elevated to a factual status it doesn't have, if it's even that. |
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chirp
Joined: 03 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| yamanote senbei wrote: |
On May. 25, Nova Corp., once the largest English school chain in Japan in terms of enrollment, declared bankruptcy.
[...] On May. 25 of this year, Nova Corp., once the largest English school chain in Japan in terms of student enrollment, and which operated the chain of Nova language schools, Intervision, Nova Space Design, Nova Overseas Study Centre, Nova Tourist Bureau and Nova System declared bankruptcy.
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Since this post was made on May 22, 2006 and the article refers to "May 25", it is clear that the article was doctored.
To Yamanote and any others who would do this same thing: This forum is helpful for those who are looking to gain information about living and working in Japan. While there are positives and negatives to every experience, please refrain from ever posting such misinformation again. If you have an issue with any employer, you are free to describe your grievance here but to falsify an article serves only to stain your reputation and unnecessarily frighten newcomers to this forum.
For newcomers to this forum: Never accept what is written here as fact. It is the experience of a select group of people. If a post does not contain a link (that works) to the original article, it is best to assume that the information in the post is the opinion of the poster and nothing more.
Best wishes to all those considering working in Japan and those already there.  |
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wangtesol
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Well, Yamanote was trying to make a point - that Nova could go bankrupt and this could happen to you. He could've been clearer about that though.
What bothers me is I have tried to warn a campus career centre that Nova constantly violates the law (e.g., not enrolling employees into National Health Insurance). The centre I have talked to was split between the manager of the career centre who wanted to bring Nova onto campus and her underling who was reluctant about doing so. The manager won out. |
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ironopolis
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:08 am Post subject: |
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What bothers me is I have tried to warn a campus career centre that Nova constantly violates the law |
You made the same allegation about them breaking the law on another thread and were challenged several times to back it up. You failed to do so and the best you could come up with was a link to the union website. In the words of one of several posters challenging you on that thread, "considering how worked up you seem to get about this issue (and as often as you make the claim) I would have thought you'd have better evidence to support your argument."
Indeed. That was a month ago, and you didn't respond to that, have you found anything since then? |
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wangtesol
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 3:40 am Post subject: |
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Jesus, read the newspaper. Check the union websites.
http://www.generalunion.org
Ironopolis, why don't you try being constructive rather than antagonistic and do the search and provide the link. Sounds like more garbage from gimp.
Do you need a reference to know that Enron is in hot water also? |
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ironopolis
Joined: 01 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| wangtesol wrote: |
Jesus, read the newspaper. Check the union websites.
http://www.generalunion.org
Ironopolis, why don't you try being constructive rather than antagonistic and do the search and provide the link. Sounds like more garbage from gimp.
Do you need a reference to know that Enron is in hot water also? |
Look, mate. YOU make an allegation, it's reasonable that YOU bear the onus to substantiate it. I, like others before me, have simply asked if you could do that. You haven't been able to. And your allegation was specifically about illegality, NOT about the company being in hot water - so not a great attempt at wriggling out of it there!
I'm sure people will draw their own conclusions from your continuously evasive answers to the same simple question.
I note also with amusement from your previous post that the manager of a career centre saw fit to ignore your advice. I think perhaps if I'd been you, I'd have kept that bit quiet |
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wangtesol
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:58 am Post subject: |
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So, you got a broken finger? You cannot do a search? It's even in the FAQ's on this site. Your actions are tantamount to trolling.
You just come across as irresponsible, lazy and antagonistic if you cannot do a little research yourself. For people who have been here longer than a year, the insurance probe is common knowledge.
Do you even knwo that the word "allegation" means? This just sounds like more irresponsible manager talk. Some managers can be shown black and white evidence, such as the Ministry of Education advisement on gyomu itaku contracts being illegal, and they will spurter until they are blue in the face that "these are just allegations."
And are you saying that Enron exec's have done nothing wrong? Enron pension fund holders would disagree with you.
And are you saying Nova has done nothing wrong? Well, I think Steve Smith would disagree with you as well.
If Nova wasn't doing anything illegal, why did they start enrolling full-time employees into shakai hoken after the Health Insurance Agency probe was launched? And why did they start reducing teachers hours to just below full-time? Give me a break.
Laws are like cobwebs: the small flies get caught but the great break through
-Solon
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wangtesol
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 2:16 am Post subject: |
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Ironoplolis wrote to me...
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| I note also with amusement from your previous post that the manager of a career centre saw fit to ignore your advice. I think perhaps if I'd been you, I'd have kept that bit quiet |
Why? It just goes to show that even career centres will not look out for newbies. By policy, this university in Halifax, Nova Scotia does not care if Nova doesn't inform or enroll their employees into health insurance as legally mandated. But personally, as one worker indicated, it does bother them.
It is a sad that a supposed career centre professional is getting paid by the government to protect scofflaws like Nova.
If others are concerned that Dalhousie University is allowing Nova to recruit at the university career centre please email them at...
[email protected]
And cc the Dalhousie Student Union for allowing Nova to use their building for the interviews.
[email protected]
And you can use this as a sample letter...
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Dear Dalhousie Student Employment Centre,
It has come to my attention that your employment centre allows the Japanese language school Nova to conduct interviews and recruit teachers at Dalhousie University.
This despite a probe having been launched against Nova by the Health Insurance Agency of Japan for the school having not enrolled its full-time teachers into the mandatory National health Insurance (shakai hoken).
Nova is the largest employer of migrant workers in Japan (more than 5000). They have a large influence on setting the low standards that all migrant workers are subjected to in Japan.
Please refuse to allow this scofflaw corporation from deceiving potential employees from Dalhousie University. Perhaps inform interviewees of their labour and health insurance rights before the interview or refuse to allow Nova to recruit at Dalhousie University.
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ironopolis
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Wangtesol, I have to give you some credit, you are thoroughly entertaining; particularly in the way that you can't seem to grasp that it's you who should be doing the search if you want to come up with some info that will have people believe you. (Btw, as someone said to you on the other thread, the probe you referred to found nothing illegal.)
I suppose you think you don't sound obssessively bitter either!!
Whatever, good luck to you. And if people think you're an objective, reliable source of information about Nova, then good luck to them too. |
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Zzonkmiles
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Will someone please lock this thread?  |
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D.O.S.
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
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Location: TOKYO (now)/ LONDON
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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To join the fun: as long as 5' tall midgets can get uni. jobs, wives and kids, and be the the "Expert of all Japan EFL"... Japan is the place to be!
Party on dudes!
Send us whatever you've got. Just bow on time, smile, be genki, wear the white shirt and tie and don't cause a stir. |
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wangtesol
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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So, this advice from the Minato Ku (Tokyo) Social Insurance Agency does not reflect that Nova was doing anything illegal? You have no credibility Ironopolis.
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Employers, enroll your employees to the Social Insurance
- Please submit the �Application for Enrollment� -
Is your company subject to the Employees� Health Insurance (EHI, KENKO HOKEN in Japanese)? The laws determine any company with more the 5 workers or any HOJIN corporation as the �applicable workplace� for coverage under the EHI and EPI. Any worker who is employed by the applicable workplace on regular bases shall compulsorily become the insured person of the EHI as well as EPI, irrespective of his/her nationality, sex, or wage. The workers aged 70 and over are, however, only covered by EHI.
The �workers employed on regular bases� means the workers who provide service at an applicable workplace and receive salary or wages for the service provided. There is such employer-employee relationship on regular bases. It is regardless of the the worker is a regular worker (SEISHAIN) or a part-timer, or whether there is a written employment contract or not.
Practically, even if your worker is not a regular worker, he/she shall be subject to coverage, as a worker employed on regular bases, in the following cases:
1. Part-Timers and other Non-Regular Workers
Are your part-timers subject to coverage of the Social Insurance? It depends on their work hours and work days compared with your regular workers who are engaged in same work in the same workplace.
In principal, your part-timers shall be covered by the Social Insurance if their;
(1) work days per month are more than 3/4 of your regular workers
AND
(2) work hours per day or per week are more than 3/4 of your regular workers
To be precise, there could be other factors to be taken into consideration such as working conditions/ actual working situations.
2. Non-Japanese Workers
The EHI and EPI cover workers employed on regular bases irrespective of their nationality.
3. Workers on Probation
Irrespective of employment contract or consent of the worker, any workers employed on regular bases shall be covered by the EHI and EPI.
�Application for Enrollment� (SHIKAKU SHUTOKU TODOKE)
When you employ workers who are subject to the coverage of EHI and EPI, you shall submit the �Application for Enrollment� to the Social Insurance Office within 5 days of employment. If you fail the application, you may have to pay the past contributions in a lump.
For details, please contact your nearest Social Insurance Office:
(When you contact us please speak Japanese.)
MINATO Social Insurance Office
1-10-14, Hamamatsucho,
Minato-Ku, Tokyo 105-8513
Tel:03-5401-3211
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wangtesol
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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To Newbies, you will see on this forum that there are some people "working in the interests of management." Their tactics are very similar to what you will find in an actual school in Japan - harassment and misinformation.
One way to deal with such harassment (called power harassment, pawa hawa) is to organize with your fellow teachers in the union and get an anti-harassment code into your workplace.
Pawa hawa is a common management tactic. Unions reguarly demonstrate at schools that harass employees. It is usually done to force an employee to quit his job when management is unable to legally fire someone.
You can join thousands of other English teachers in the following unions...
http://www.generalunion.org
httP://www.nambufwc.org
http://fukuoka.generalunion.org
And ask how you can introduce anti-harassment policy into your workplace.
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ironopolis
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Will someone please lock this thread? |
Lots of, er, "advice" being given here - and this is probably the best of the lot. Highly entertaining, but getting a bit silly now.  |
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wangtesol
Joined: 24 May 2005
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:09 am Post subject: bully to that |
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Ironopolis, please tell us about how your friends got jobs as Nova managers.
For others, that grey zone between when a teacher is still a teacher but looking to become a manager is hard to spot. But one telltale sign is that the teacher starts to rat on his fellow employees.
I remember one such guy at one school I worked at. He was at a restaurant one time with his new girlfriend, and I asked why he was spreading lies and he freaked out and went to the police to complain!!!! If ya stand up to a bully they fall apart. He didn't get the management position and wasn't even re-hired.
When a teacher becomes more and more like a bully and a spy, you know that he's going for a management job.
I can imagine that more and more Nova teachers will be looking to secure their jobs by ratting on their fellow teachers as Nova is forced to close schools and dismiss teachers. Not a good work environment at all.
Thanks for highlighting that, Ironopolis. You see, he doesn't give any facts or information. He just attempts to ridicule and harass. See ya, liar. |
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