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ironopolis
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I think I've spotted the one on this thread "working in the interests of management." Can I claim my prize?  |
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wangtesol
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:11 am Post subject: |
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I did a search for...
nova and health insurance fraud japan
and what came up but a recruiting company's website with an article about Nova's illegal employment activities! Ouch! Gotta hurt when even recruiters are criticizing Nova.
http://www.footprintsrecruiting.com/content.php?cat=392&sc=1
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His was an experience that is becoming increasingly representative for Australian teachers in Japan. "Australians are being exploited as English teachers in Japan, especially by Nova," he says.
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| Nova's head of overseas recruitment, Stephen Farley, an Australian, denies Nova is unfair to its employees |
Doesn't Stephen Farley sound familiar? |
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angrysoba
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 9:21 am Post subject: |
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I remember this article coming up on another thread a while ago and the shocking expose on NOVA made me laugh then. Its full of informative and irrelevant information.
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Senior ministers, including those who are fluent, do not set examples by using English and the Prime Minister, Junichiro Koizumi, is apparently unable to converse, though he attended the London School of Economics. Even small talk at private dinners with leaders such as John Howard or George Bush is via an interpreter.
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NOVA are bad, I blame Koizumi! |
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alexrocks
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| Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 10:42 am Post subject: |
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I think that in this thread, Wangtesol has made some good points, and those of you who haven't worked in Japan and are reading this shouldn't take his comments lightly. I suggest following the links provided and doing some of your own research to help you get a clearer perspective. As in any industry in any country, there are sleazy bosses out there, and you should know whatever you can before jumping into it.
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Like a Rolling Stone
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| Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 1:43 am Post subject: |
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wangtesol is helping people. It is easy to say "well, it doesn't effect me" But I have seen so many bad bosses who dont care about there teachers. Dont get trapped by them. Join a union it is important.
Fight the power!  If you dont do it you are on your own!
So be in the union! |
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wangtesol
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:26 am Post subject: non-profit organizations a better idea than corporate school |
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Since this thread was started, Nova's stock has fallen from 210 to as low as 169 yen.
http://www.jasdaq.co.jp/ir/show.do?stock=4655&type=00&lang=E
A drop of almost 20% in just 2 weeks.
What was it a year ago? Beacuse hadn't it already dropped by 40% between April 2005 and April 2006?
Since legislation was only passed as recently as 1998 for creating non-profit organizations (NPO) in Japan, the only real option before then for a person to run a school was as business.
Now, if you can find nine people to help agree to set up an NPO, you can run a school outside of a business model. Maybe these NPOs can pick up the students that would otherwise go to Nova.
So, are Nova managers required to hold Nova stock? Is that why they are so grumpy these days?
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canuck
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:30 am Post subject: |
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I did a search for...
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Shut your spout. Provide links. Answer the questions directly. Even better, answer the questions here:
http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/job/viewtopic.php?t=39247
You're a union guy....be constructive. |
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wangtesol
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Canuck, are you being so grumpy and rude because the value of your stocks are plummeting?
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Searching the archives at ESL Cafe can be a rewarding exercise. I recommend it. And thanks for the support, alexrocks and Like a Rolling Stone. Another labor educator sent me this link on Japan's Employment Security Law. Here is something he found from a couple months back on shakai hoken...
Employment Security Law
http://www.law.uiuc.edu/publications/cll&pj/archive/vol_22/issue_4/IkukoArticle22-4.pdf
On page 2 it says...
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| Basic conditions such as the nature of the work to be performed, the term of the contact, location of the workplace, wages, working hours and labor and social insurance must be described in writing. |
But if Nova is recruiting you from overseas (not in Japan) then it does not have to tell you in writing about shakai hoken (health insurance) because Japanese law does not apply. Too bad because the penalties can be serious.....
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| ...fines or prison sentences are imposed on employment agencies or other recruiting entities found guilty of falsifying information in the advertisement or description of working conditions. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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Canuck, are you being so grumpy and rude because the value of your stocks are plummeting?
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Couldn't care less about NOVA. Hope they sink. However, you can't answer the question, can you? You're a one trick pony aren't you. It's illegal dispatching posts or nothing. It's a legitimate question. Buck up. |
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ironopolis
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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wangtesol is helping people. It is easy to say "well, it doesn't effect me" But I have seen so many bad bosses who dont care about there teachers. Dont get trapped by them. Join a union it is important.
Fight the power! If you dont do it you are on your own!
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I hope helping people is indeed his motivation. Not knowing the guy I've no idea whether it is or not.
I'm sure plenty of people involved with the unions referred to on this board are indeed very eager to help others, and I don't doubt that some work damn hard doing so.
But I've come across other folk whose motivation for being connected to a union seems to be different. There are the selfish "me,me,me" types, who seem like they just want to do whatever they want with impunity, to hell with anyone else. And there are others who are clearly more concerned about getting their own back for some unfair treatment they feel (with varying amounts of justification) they received, than helping anyone else.
I stress that I (a) am quite sympathetic to the principle of a union-like organisation and (b) haven't come across enough union people in Japan to be able to judge how representative the above types are. I really hope they're the much more the exception than the rule.
Wangtesol, if you really are the helper type, perhaps you could provide some info as asked on the blacklist interac thread. I'm sure anyone weighing up whether it's worth joining a union would appreciate the input. |
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wangtesol
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The question was so obvious I thought it wasn't worth responding to. But I did indicate where one could search and find an answer since it is the General Union who launched the probe anyhow. Why not go directly to the source? If you rely on your manager to tell you about the health insurance probe I guess you are the kind of person who believes the used car salesman and doesn't check the consumer reports.
But encouraging people to do their own reasech has now been used as an excuse to harass me.
However, I am glad that people are in agreement that teachers ought to join unions in Japan...
http://www.nugw.org |
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wolfman
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i've not has much to say on this subject so far. however, i do just want to mention that this is all disheartening to me. i want to teach in japan and eikaiwa are good stepping stones for beginners and newbies like me.
could the things that are happening to nova be a microcosm of what is happening to the availability of english teaching jobs japan-wide? |
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canuck
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 6:13 am Post subject: |
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[quote="wangtesol"But encouraging people to do their own reasech has now been used as an excuse to harass me.[/quote]
What a load of sushi.  |
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wolfman
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yamanote senbei
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| please refrain from ever posting such misinformation again. |
Chirp, I think you need to get yourself a dictionary and look up the word misinformation and the word parody, then re-read your post. If it indeed was misinformation, as you allege, then I would have to believe my post and believe that I'm prescient.
Nova is in serious trouble. I'm not making this up. Whether they will be facing bankruptcy, I'm not sure, but again why don't you ask the employees and customers of NCB whether they thought NCB was going bankrupt or not. Watch the video linked in my post and you'll see the parallel.
The same signs are there with Nova now. Nova is in serious trouble and even they admit that they're going to be closing schools. |
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