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Dilla-gent
Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 21
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 8:38 am Post subject: Seinfeld with subtitles?? |
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Hi, anyone know if and where I can get DVDs of Seinfeld episodes with Japanese subtitles?? I wanted to do an activity at my school where the students would watch a Seinfeld episode and complete a worksheet about it.
I pitched the idea to my Japanese co-teacher, but he insisted I find a copy with subtitles, since my VHS copy didnt have any. I felt that it kinda defeated the purpose, but his reasoning is that the student's levels are really low, and that they would get bored and not listen since they wouldn't understand anything. He does have a point, and I don't see this lesson happening unless I find a subtitled version...
I don't remember seeing Seinfeld at any video stores here, so I though I'd ask. But I don't wanna drop loads of yen on a DVD set; a rental is good enough. |
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canuck

Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 1921 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Seinfeld with subtitles?? |
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Dilla-gent wrote: |
Hi, anyone know if and where I can get DVDs of Seinfeld episodes with Japanese subtitles?? I wanted to do an activity at my school where the students would watch a Seinfeld episode and complete a worksheet about it.
I pitched the idea to my Japanese co-teacher, but he insisted I find a copy with subtitles, since my VHS copy didnt have any. I felt that it kinda defeated the purpose, but his reasoning is that the student's levels are really low, and that they would get bored and not listen since they wouldn't understand anything. He does have a point, and I don't see this lesson happening unless I find a subtitled version...
I don't remember seeing Seinfeld at any video stores here, so I though I'd ask. But I don't wanna drop loads of yen on a DVD set; a rental is good enough. |
If the student's level is really low, do you think Seinfeld is the appropriate target for them? What do you want to accomplish in the lesson? What is the target language? Assuming, you actually have good idea behind it (which is suspect), why would have to worry about subtitles? Wouldn't you only be showing a small portion, a few times?
To answer you question, check Tsutaya or other video rental shops....... |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:31 am Post subject: |
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I used to work with a very high level Japanese woman who had lived in the USA for a year. She constantly watches CNN and NHK English programs, and she is in love with several American TV shows. She diligently watches them and takes notes of words or expressions she can't quite catch, then she used to come to me for clarification.
Trust me. If SHE can't catch a lot of the meaning, your low level students will have even more trouble.
Go with Wallace and Gromit instead. |
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angrysoba

Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 446 Location: Kansai, Japan
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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I take it you work as an ALT in a public high school if you have to get permission from your Japanese co-teacher to plan your lessons. In my own experience with high school students I have found them to be very interested indeed in Jewish-American humour. They're always coming up to me in the corridor and whispering conspiratorially "Are you still Master of your Domain?" That will be completely lost in it's subtitled form I am sure. |
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Dilla-gent
Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 21
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I know it sounds difficult, and I don't expect the students to catch any words. My JTE asked me to make an activity to review the previous unit. I wanted to incorporate some video into the lesson, to mix it up and try to spark some interest in some of these kids, some who seem to have given up on English already.
The worksheet I made up is just some fill-in-the-blank sentences using vocab they learned in that unit. I would tell them when the next hint is coming for the next question. They could probably do the worksheet without even watching the show, but I thought it would be fun to watch it, and show how the words are used in different contexts.
Any good suggestions then for using video? I don't know no f*ckin wallace n gromit. |
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angrysoba

Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 446 Location: Kansai, Japan
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't this:
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I don't expect the students to catch any words. |
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I thought it would be fun to watch it, and show how the words are used in different contexts. |
I think your idea is okay (using video), but we shouldn't let our personal taste in TV shows overcloud the teaching potential of the class. Most of Seinfeld, though funny to me and no doubt you, will just look like four people blathering in a foreign language to your students - it won't be fun or funny. For students as low as yours you would probably need much more visually stimulating video (that would seem one of the main points of using it). For example, an activity in which half the students can watch what is happening with the other half only being able to hear what is going on and then getting the first half to describe it. But the video will only be much use if the pre-taught language or target grammar occurs alot.
If you are still adamant on using Seinfeld then perhaps a bit more explanation of what your students have learnt and are trying to review and what particular episode you have in mind would help alot. |
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Dilla-gent
Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 21
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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With the worksheet I made, they would just have to fill in the blanks right. They could probably get it just by watching, only visuals. But, with the sentences finished, they could see how the words are used in that context. Naw mean?
I chose Seinfeld cuz it was convenient, I had it on tape, and I managed to come up with sentences related to the episode, using words they recently learned. Is this not a decent activity? Constructive criticism only please. |
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angrysoba

Joined: 20 Jan 2006 Posts: 446 Location: Kansai, Japan
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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Dilla-gent wrote: |
Constructive criticism only please. |
I thought the criticism in my second post was completely constructive and what I asked from you was what the students had learnt that was to be reviewed.
For example: If you were teaching personality adjectives and or words to do with physical describing people then did the clip you were using lend itself easily to the target language?
All you have said is that you have produced a worksheet with blank spaces for the sudents to fill. That could cover a whole range of levels. It could be very easy, it could be pitched at exactly the right level or it could be ludicroulsy difficult. So I don't "Naw you mean". |
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Dilla-gent
Joined: 01 Mar 2006 Posts: 21
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Alright soba, thanks for the cons. crit earlier...I wasn't aiming my request at you...I just don't want some b.s. sarcastic replies like the ones I read in other threads. I only use this sight for real problems I want advice on, not to bicker with all these bored computer freaks.
Basically, the sentences the students have to complete, describe things that happened in the show. The sentences contain some simple past-tense structures, plus the new words they have used. This is for 2nd-year JHS students. Again, I wanted to do something different, cuz a lot of these students seem bored of traditional games. I've read a lot about people using tv shows and movies in their lessons, but no details on how they used them. So, I just thought of this as an idea. My JTE said it was cool, but insisted sub-titles are a must...hence my OP. |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on the type of action you're trying to describe, as well as the vocabulary load. I love using Mr. Bean videos, as well as segments of animations that I have made worksheets for that fit in with what I'm teaching. The subtitles are not always necessary, though it is sometimes useful for lower level students so that they don't tune out completely. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Seinfeld is on TV here although the channel escapes me right now (Super channel??) It's also subtitled. |
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Dilla-gent
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Markle, what is the Super Channel?
I get a few english channels in my apt. including Fox Japan. But I've never seen any Seinfeld episodes on any channel. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know no f*ckin wallace n gromit. |
How eloquent. To use your own language, f*cking learn. The Internet is a wonderful tool to find information, and W & G are everywhere on it, plus, I believe W & G even has a teacher's guide.
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Any good suggestions then for using video? |
You are just shooting from the hip with ideas, as far as I can see. Probably the best you can do on short notice, but if you really want to use videos constructively, read about how to do it. Again, this sort of information is all over the Internet. If you want to read books on it, ask a publisher for sample copies.
Your descriptions of how to use video have not been put very well for the rest of us to understand, so you've been under fire. Don't take it personally. For example:
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With the worksheet I made, they would just have to fill in the blanks right. They could probably get it just by watching, only visuals. |
This might make sense depending on the scenes. In some cases, you might flop. Japanese JHS kids may not understand the visuals due to cultural differences. Japan is still a pretty isolated country in some aspects. And, if you think they can get information just from visuals, then you don't need dialog, and things like W&G or Mr. Bean are quite usable. In fact, I've used both in high school, not JHS, quite successfully, since many people here seem to enjoy both sets of characters.
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But, with the sentences finished, they could see how the words are used in that context. Naw mean? |
Sorry, but until I see the video clip itself and your prints, I can't "naw mean"?
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I only use this sight for real problems I want advice on, not to bicker with all these bored computer freaks. |
Oh, yeah. Right. Attack the people who have had years of experience doing this. Yours is a very simple question, and a modicum of research using Google or Yahoo! would have solved everything. Come here, though, and you have to deal with the human factor, and part of that means providing clear descriptions of what you intend, and taking a bit of that constructive criticism. Criticism usually means telling you what is wrong. That's the implied meaning in case you didn't know. Learn from your mistakes and from those who have offered you advice based on their experience.
P.S. Some of us weren't too "bored" to try helping you.
P.P.S. One more piece of constructive criticism. Don't use shows that are suited for an audience older than your students. Instead of Seinfeld, try Full House, for example. This is a standard teaching theory for readers, too. |
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canuck

Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 1921 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Seinfeld, low level, junior high school... Scrap whatever you have and actually create a lesson that the students will actually learn something. |
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Hoser

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 694 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I can't see this working. Humour is bound to fail because not only is the language difficult to comprehend, but the fact of the matter is that what Japanese people find humourous and what we find humourous is completely different-it just doesn't translate as well as say, a drama. I suspect that's why it's very difficult to find episodes of Seinfeld or Friends or Frasier over here but you look on TV and all there is is 24, ER, animated movies etc. |
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