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johnner
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 Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: Reputable Recruiters |
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Hi all,
Thinking of teaching in Japan. Does anyone know of a recruiting agency that is on the up and up? Seems to me there are more interested in scamming people than placing them.
Any advice or help is appreciated |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Might help to know where you live.
Also, what exactly do you mean by "recruiter"? A middleman for the school/company where you work? Or just the school/company that hires from abroad? Or is it a dispatch agency within Japan that places you in a school? |
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canuck
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| Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Reputable Recruiters |
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| johnner wrote: |
Hi all,
Thinking of teaching in Japan. Does anyone know of a recruiting agency that is on the up and up? Seems to me there are more interested in scamming people than placing them.
Any advice or help is appreciated |
My advice is to do some work yourself, instead of using your first post to fire off a question without necessary background information. What makes you so special?  |
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johnner
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: Reputable Recruiters |
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Glenski,
Thanks for the quick reply.
I'm currently located in the U.S.
By recruiters I mean firms paid by the school for placing a teacher
in a position. I'm not referring to the huge chain schools that have
recruiting branches for placement only within their own schools. |
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Glenski
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canuck, no need to be so harsh, although some background info IS needed.
john,
Aside from the big chain eikaiwas, I don't know of any recruiters in the sense that you mean. Dispatch agencies could be called recruiters in a sense, but by reading posts in forums like this, you can see just how shady they can be to get you into a mainstream school. Eikaiwas just don't use middlemen, other than their own recruiting staff who may live overseas.
JET Programme, of course, could be called a middleman. I wouldn't label them as such, but they do pay more than eikaiwas and they pay for your flight here (a rare thing), plus you might even get lucky with housing and have something partially or totally paid for. Not all JET ALTs get that, though. Luck of the draw.
www.jetprogramme.org
Earlham College has a program similar to JET.
http://www.earlham.edu/~aet/ |
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PAULH
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The only recruiters I know are a couple of independent companies hired by NOVA in Australia and parts of Canada to do their initial screening for them. In Melbourne you pay a $400 fee if you get hired by NOVA to cover the recruiter's fee.
JET teachers are hired through a semi-government organisation called CLAIR and the interview committee consists of former JET teachers and Japanese Education Ministry officials.
Private recruiters dont operate so much in Japan but do a roaring trade finding jobs for people in China and in Korea. |
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yamanote senbei
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| Australia has a reasonable minimum wage, so why would people pay $400 to a Nova recruiter, buy their own one way plane ticket, and bring a several months of start-up money with them to work for almost minimum wage in Japan? And all this is to wear a necktie at what is the McDonalds of eikaiwa? |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| yamanote senbei wrote: |
| Australia has a reasonable minimum wage, so why would people pay $400 to a Nova recruiter, buy their own one way plane ticket, and bring a several months of start-up money with them to work for almost minimum wage in Japan? And all this is to wear a necktie at what is the McDonalds of eikaiwa? |
Why do any of the plane loads of newbies come to Japan and try their luck at NOVA and GEOS for such low salaries? Its not just about wages but paying off loans, seeing the world, travelling to a foreign country experiencing the culture. Being paid a salary while you live here to teach your native language is icing on the cake. If it was just for the money I would recommend people stay at home.
Certainly beats being near-unemployed or working in a poverty-line job back home. |
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Sage
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Hay hay now!
Don't you be'a comparing McDonald's to NOVA! McD's has standards on who they hire and offer some pretty good benefits for a low paying job.
I'd put NOVA on the level of... Used Diaper and Vomit Bag Inspector... maybe. |
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yamanote senbei
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| I'm guessing that the Nova recruiters don't tell them about the 70% yearly teacher turnover. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| yamanote senbei wrote: |
| I'm guessing that the Nova recruiters don't tell them about the 70% yearly teacher turnover. |
NOVA has had so much bad press on the Internet in the last 5 years and its my guess many people know about NOVA's less than stellar reputation and apply anyway. For many its a lack of realistic alternatives, a hint of desperation and a desire to have a bite at the Japan cherry that makes people sign up and pay big money. If they get a job offer out of it they think its money well spent.
Most people know they are not going to spend more than a year there anyway.
Anyway, you dont see TV ads for McDonalds hamburgers telling you that their product causes obesity and heart disease and is bad for you. People still buy the stuff though. |
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yamanote senbei
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| The bad press probably explains why Nova has resorted to recruiting teachers in the Kansai Flea Market of all places. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| yamanote senbei wrote: |
| The bad press probably explains why Nova has resorted to recruiting teachers in the Kansai Flea Market of all places. |
Next thing you know they will be handing out recruitment flyers in front of Sam and Dave's in Shinsaibashi, or at Kansai airport for incoming flights. |
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freeman
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| Yes I would also say blacklist Interac. They are very dishonest recruiters. if you want an easy way into Japan then Interac is also a way but be warned, they are on the blacklist. Smaller companies like Altia Central and Kent School of English really take care of their employees, |
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johnner
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| Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2006 6:23 pm Post subject: recruiters |
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Thank you all for your replies,
It does seem to be that because of the current glut of teachers
in Japan, that most of the recruiters are now focusing their efforts
on China etc as Paulh has said. There simply isn't enough profitability
to sustain such recruitment in Japan's current market. |
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