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Girl Scout
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| if u collect a even single paper for the purpose of making corrections in the first year of a writing course (or probably ever) or even think that "collecting and marking" should form even a minor part of a language teachers job then you are wasting your time and have no idea what you are doing. |
klaus please tell me what I am suppose to do in a writing class. You point is non-exsistent. |
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klaus
Joined: 19 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 7:55 am Post subject: |
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i could tell you exactly what to do because i know exactly what to do.
i doubt that you are genuinely interested though. |
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lou_c
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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Location: Amherst, Massachusetts, USA
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| klaus wrote: |
i could tell you exactly what to do because i know exactly what to do.
i doubt that you are genuinely interested though. |
I'm genuinely interested. If you something to say, please say it. |
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klaus
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| what don't you understand about "i know exactly what to do"? |
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Girl Scout
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| lou-c ignore the troll. |
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klaus
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:01 am Post subject: |
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girl scout , i feel sorry for you. but esl and these forums are full of people like you who claim to be "teachers" but in fact do not have the slightest clue what to do or how to teach language. i am quite used to this situation and to the sad and spiteful responses to my principled suggestions and genuine claims.
i do know exactly what to do. would you like to see a sample of writing done this week by my 15-17 year old students?
i guess not because as i have already suggested, you like many others are much happier to live out your existence criticising things you don't understand and have no real desire to put any effort into actually improving yourself despite all the guff about a supposed commitment to professionalism that you espouse. |
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InTime
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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BELOW is a free Internet service for writing analysis
Here's a SAMPLE...analysis of the writing by KLAUS ABOVE
http://www.usingenglish.com/resources/text-statistics.php
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Text Statistics
General Statistics Word Length Breakdown
Total Word Count 140
Total Unique Words 100
Number of Sentences 6
Average Words per Sentence 23.34
Lexical Density 71.43% (what's this?)
Fog Index 12.48 (what's this?)
1 letter words 8 5.7%
2 letter words 28 20.0%
3 letter words 32 22.9%
4 letter words 28 20.0%
5 letter words 9 6.4%
6 letter words 8 5.7%
7 letter words 8 5.7%
8 letter words 7 5.0%
9 letter words 6 4.3%
10 letter words 3 2.1%
11 letter words 2 1.4%
15 letter words 1 0.7%
Frequency Word Length
Word Frequency Cloud
The word frequency cloud shows each word in a bigger or smaller text size, depending on how many times it is found in the text. The bigger the word, the more frequently it occurs. Very common words have been removed to allow you to see the key words in the text. Note: The results work better with longer texts.
Alphabetically Frequency
actually ... already ... because ... claims ... clue ... commitment ... criticising ... desire ... despite ... don ... effort ... esl ... espouse ... exactly ... existence ... forums ... genuine ... guff ... happier ... improving ... into ... not ... others ... principled ... professionalism ... responses ... sad ... sample ... scout ... situation ... slightest ... sorry ... spiteful ... students ... suggested ... suggestions ... supposed ... t ... teachers ... things ... understand ... used ... writing ... yourself ... 15 ... 17 ...
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The Lexical Density Test is a Readability Test designed to show how easy or difficult a text is to read. The Lexical Density Test uses the following formula:
Lexical Density = (Number of different words / Total number of words) x 100
The lexical density of a text tries to measure the proportion of the content (lexical) words over the total words. Texts with a lower density are more easily understood.
As a guide, lexically dense text has a lexical density of around 60-70% and those which are not dense have a lower lexical density measure of around 40-50%. |
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The Fog Index is a readability test designed to show how easy or difficult a text is to read. It uses the following formula:
Reading Level (Grade) = (Average No. of words in sentences + Percentage of words of three or more syllables) x 0.4
The resulting number is your Gunning Fog Index.
The Gunning Fog Index gives the number of years of education that your reader hypothetically needs to understand the paragraph or text. The Gunning Fog Index formula implies that short sentences written in plain English achieve a better score than long sentences written in complicated language.
For reference, the New York Times has an average Fog Index of 11-12, Time magazine about 11. Typically, technical documentation has a Fog Index between 10 and 15, and professional prose almost never exceeds 18. |
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klaus
Joined: 19 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:07 am Post subject: |
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in time,
go back to your silly fairy land. you have absolutely nothing of any value to contribute. |
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InTime
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: |
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re the Knuckle-rapping anti-pedagogic word-smithery BELOW:
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| go back to your silly fairy land. you have absolutely nothing of any value to contribute |
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Reminds me of a scene from the semi-autobiographical Pink Floyd movie, The Wall.
The student is daydreamingly doing creative writing/word doodling
during Geometry class,
as the students are mindlessly repeating
after the stern-faced wimpy Authorian-Personality teacher:
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| The area of a triangle is equal to the... |
So...the teacher sees the student
in silly fairy land,
walks down the aisle,
grabs the paper out of his hand,
holds up the paper to the class
of pubescent puerile Lonely Crowd boys
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| Whats this? "Get back, Jack. Get off my Cadillac." |
The conformist pimply peer-pressured adolescentslaugh mockingly.
The future song-writer hangs his head in embarrassment.
The teacher offers his enlightened Socratic advice:
ABOVE is said
as the teacher with a vicious smirk
violently hits the student's knuckles
with his fascist Big Stick.
Later in the movie,
the roots of the Authoritarian Personality are revealed.
The teacher lives with an abusive Authoritarian wife...
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klaus
Joined: 19 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:31 am Post subject: |
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dear intime,
your whole being seems to be obsessed with mostly extremely poor quality american cinema and you furthermore seem to be possessed of the insane fantasy that it has some relevance to real life. i think you should seek psychiatric help and in this regard i offer you my sympathies and support as i am sure you are in no way a bad person.
unfortunately however you also seem to harbour the delusion that your ideas have some relevance to esl pedagogy, which they don't, and in this regard i feel i must strenuously voice my principled objections to the unrelenting torrent of effluent and garbage that ensues each time you take it upon yourself to make a contribution here
best wishes. |
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Roger
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| Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| klaus wrote: |
i could tell you exactly what to do because i know exactly what to do.
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Seems to be another conceited, delusional guy who regards himself as Dog in human shape! |
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Girl Scout
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
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Location: Inbetween worlds
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| InTime wrote: |
| http://www.usingenglish.com/resources/text-statistics.php |
I love this link. Thanx |
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InTime
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| Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: |
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dE NADA...
eL GUSTO ES MIO... |
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