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D.O.S.
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
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Location: TOKYO (now)/ LONDON
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How is that worse than being in your 20's and working lots of part-time jobs.
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In Japan they call them freeters.
Do you want to be a freeter at 45 with a wife and two kids? |
Yes, a 'freeter.' But usually this describes someone who has just graduated and not someone who works many p/t jobs as a strategy. Don't try to "challenge" me: I've been here longer than you and have been far more successful.
Let's look at what you wrote:
"I have permanent resident status." Oh, so you had that since Day 1? Don't try to shovel the same b.s. to me as you do to newcomers.
When you were married, you gained a spouse visa. I've often wondered if some gaijin teachers married their Japanese spouse out of love or out of economic necessity. Rather than "do you want to go to America" it's "Do you want to stay in Japan?" I hope some people can look at themselves in the mirror and honestly ask themselves what motives they "really" had.
And a "full time job search" is normal? Maybe not. Maybe it shows a lack of responsibility by the "father-wage earner." Maybe you should have planned better and not subjected your family to the anxieties inherent to having the main wage earner in a family constantly looking for work and the kids quietly concerned about whether or not there will be ramen on the table and a roof over their heads! Are they praying that one day they will have a Japanese Father who can have stable empoyment and truly provide for them?
I often tell people in such circumstances to hold off on having children. As their poor life choices hurt the kids most. Welcome to the real world!
Perhaps working on temporary contracts in your middle aged years is simply not the way to go, no matter how one whinges and screeches about how tough it is. Maybe leaving Japan was the only real choice. You messed up. And now you are paying for it, searching the net daily for your next mini-contract. Then what? What happens when you get even older?
But 12 teaching hours/week, a research bonus and a travel account on a petty pathetic 3 year contract is attractive: the Japanese equivalent of the Racetrack, the beer-hall, and the casino back home. Attractive at first, Wow this is Good Times Jack!, but usually ending up bad, with the family hurt the most.
And Daddy complaining that life's unfair and angry at the world. |
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Crab
Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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I rarely post on this forum, but just wanted to say this entire thread is sad. Kudos to D.O.S. for pointing out that nobody cares how much money anyone makes. It's boring, juvenile and unprofessional.
Paul H, you have given tons of advice over the years. Your behaviour on this thread shows that it comes from insecurity rather than a genunine willingness to help. I'm not surprised that you're moderator status was revoked. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| "I have permanent resident status." Oh, so you had that since Day 1? Don't try to shovel the same b.s. to me as you do to newcomers. |
You asked me if Im trying to survive in wedding and spouse visa. Im NOT on a spouse visa so what you are saying is incorrect. Dont twist it around. I've had PR since 1998, when i started doing weddings. I got spouse visa in 1992, way before any wedding work came along.
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| When you were married, you gained a spouse visa. I've often wondered if some gaijin teachers married their Japanese spouse out of love or out of economic necessity. Rather than "do you want to go to America" it's "Do you want to say in Japan?" I hope some people can look at themselves in the mirror and honestly ask themselves what motives they "really" had. |
You are truly an idiot. I've had working visas way before I got married and met my wife, i didnt need to marry to stay in japan.
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| And a "full time job search" is normal? Maybe not. Maybe it shows a lack of responsibility by the "father-wage earner." Maybe you should have planned better and not subjected your family to the anxieties inherent to having the main wage earner in a family constantly looking for work and the kids quietly concerned about whether or not there will be ramen on the table and a roof over their heads! Are they praying that one day they will have a Japanese father who can provide? |
20 years in Japan on full employment. Never not had a job. Kids are in school. You worry about your own kids. Plenty of Japanese families who are struggling too. Job search takes place once every three years.
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| I often tell people in such circumstances to hold off on having children. AS their poor life choices hurt the kids most. |
and Im sure they listen to the great oracle and wisdom you espouse. they kneel at your feet in rapt adoration.
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D.O.S.
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
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Location: TOKYO (now)/ LONDON
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| "I have permanent resident status." Oh, so you had that since Day 1? Don't try to shovel the same b.s. to me as you do to newcomers. |
You asked me if Im trying to survive in wedding and spouse visa. Im NOT on a spouse visa so what you are sayng is incorrect. Dont twist it around. ive had PR since 1998, when i started doing weddings.
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| When you were married, you gained a spouse visa. I've often wondered if some gaijin teachers married their Japanese spouse out of love or out of economic necessity. Rather than "do you want to go to America" it's "Do you want to say in Japan?" I hope some people can look at themselves in the mirror and honestly ask themselves what motives they "really" had. |
You are truly an idiot. I've had working visas way before I got married and met my wife, i didnt need to marry to stay in japan.
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| And a "full time job search" is normal? Maybe not. Maybe it shows a lack of responsibility by the "father-wage earner." Maybe you should have planned better and not subjected your family to the anxieties inherent to having the main wage earner in a family constantly looking for work and the kids quietly concerned about whether or not there will be ramen on the table and a roof over their heads! Are they praying that one day they will have a Japanese father who can provide? |
20 years in Japan on full employment. Never not had a job. Kids are in school. You worry about your own kids. Plenty of Japanese families who are struggling too. Job search takes place once every three years.
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| I often tell people in such circumstances to hold off on having children. AS their poor life choices hurt the kids most. |
and Im sure they listen to the great oracle and wisdom you espouse. they kneel at your feet in rapt adoration. |
As, the next three year deal! Where is it? I need it. I know I can strike it big on that one. And then three years later! I need those 5 hours/week for a few more years. And then...?
If you don't take more responsibility I'd like to monitor your situation on behalf of your children. I sense a true problem. |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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[As, the next three year deal! Where is it? I need it. I know I can strike it big on that one. And then three years later! I need those 5 hours/week for a few more years. And then...?
If you don't take more responsibility I'd like to monitor your situation on behalf of your children. I sense a true problem. |
The next one is tenured, until the age of 65.
Sorry I can't tell you where it is, as much as I'd like to. when I get it I'll send you a postcard. |
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D.O.S.
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
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Yes, you are on the list of candidates for some national university. Word has spread around.
zzzz.
Good luck. I hope you get it. For the sake of your children. They don't need a Dad who's always looking for work. A Dad who keeps going back to the same well for more rather than intelligently placing his family's needs beyond his own.
"Just give me one more chance, honey. I know I'm gonna make it. I jus' know it baby! I'm gonna make you and da' kids so proud of their Dad!"
Same story. Vegas, Atlantic City, a boxing gym in the Bronx, or someone in Japan.
"Why can't a guy getta break. I couldna been a contendah!"
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, you are on the list of candidates for some national university. Word has spread around. |
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| There are lots and lots of teachers who make similar money. In fact, Capper doesn't even work fr the highest paying schools. They're good ones but not the best. There are guys I've met who do 20 or more koma at top-paying schools. Some of them earn so much with that alone that they don't do much else. They have some evening and Saturday classes. Yes, Capper does well, but their are a number of teachers out there who do very well too. Myself included. |
Maybe I should do what these guys are doing. I know I'll have really made it because I work part time at some high paying but dinky little junior college in Kawasaki.
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| Good luck. I hope you get it. For the sake of your children. They don't need a Dad who's always looking for work. A Dad who keeps going back to the same well for more rather than intelligently placing his family's needs beyond his own. |
Barf.
Was about to say the same about you. |
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D.O.S.
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, you are on the list of candidates for some national university. Word has spread around. |
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| There are lots and lots of teachers who make similar money. In fact, Capper doesn't even work fr the highest paying schools. They're good ones but not the best. There are guys I've met who do 20 or more koma at top-paying schools. Some of them earn so much with that alone that they don't do much else. They have some evening and Saturday classes. Yes, Capper does well, but their are a number of teachers out there who do very well too. Myself included. |
Maybe I should do what these guys are doing. I know I'll have really made it because I work part time at some high paying but dinky little junior college in Kawasaki.
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| Good luck. I hope you get it. For the sake of your children. They don't need a Dad who's always looking for work. A Dad who keeps going back to the same well for more rather than intelligently placing his family's needs beyond his own. |
Barf.
Was about to say the same about you. |
My kids have never had to worry about Daddy having a job or not.
I simply think it's incredibly irresponsible of you to keep living some Mittyesque fantasy of being an academic if it's hurting your family.
A single man? Sure. A married man with a working spouse? Okay. But to force your children to live through this is, in my eyes, not a good thing.
If the reality (for you) is temporary contracts in Japan then you, being the provider for a family, should da^n well be looking for other work!! Even if it's not in the field of academics.
I'm sorry if that's hurtful but life is rough and it's the often the little ones who suffer the most. |
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