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Best (and worst) branches to work for -- GEOS and AEON
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skomand wrote:
I posted couple of things that I am looking for/want to avoid, listed the companies I want to work for, and then asked a forum for, among other things, experienced eikaiwa teachers in Japan. OMG, WHAT WAS I THINKING????


There was someone on here a while back who falled interviews at all big four companies as well as JET. What would you do if the same happened to you?

Get hired (anywhere) first and then worry about the details, as you may not get the school or company you want. They hire you, you don't hire them.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skomand wrote:
"It is very important to try and find out what place is somewhere you'd like to be. Talking to other teachers (especially outside their workplace) who're at the school you're looking at can give a lot of insight. Is the boss a petty Napoleon?"

That's what this post was all about in the first place, and what you criticized me for.



If you are in the U.S and get sent to a school in Kobe or Tokyo it will be almost impossible for you to contact particular teachers at a school. The school will not give out email or personal information and the chance of them being regular posters on here and seeing your ad is pretty small.

The best you can hope for is get posted to a job or a branch somewhere and people give you a general rundown of what an area is like to work and live in. When it comes down to it, NOVA AEON GEOS and ECC are almost identical in their operation so you wont see major differences between them. the main differences will be your own attitude and approach and what you want to get out of the experience, your tolerance for BS. No one can predict what those will be except you.

Working at a school here is a collection of individual stories and thats all they are, individual recollections of everyones experience and they are all different.
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skomand



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, to be honest, when I first asked the question, I thought you could request a branch to work at. But now I know you can only request a "region." I think that lead to some initial confusion here. I thought they were the same thing, actually.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skomand wrote:
Well, to be honest, when I first asked the question, I thought you could request a branch to work at. But now I know you can only request a "region." I think that lead to some initial confusion here. I thought they were the same thing, actually.


There are about 43 individual prefectures in Japan and NOVA has over a 1000 individual branches. NOVA has dozens if not hundreds of branches within Osaka area alone.

Requesting a particular branch is impossible as you dont even know if they have openings or vacancies there.
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skomand



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if I were looking to be placed in a Tokyo suburb, with no more than an hour train commute to Tokyo, could you suggest a nice area?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skomand wrote:
So if I were looking to be placed in a Tokyo suburb, with no more than an hour train commute to Tokyo, could you suggest a nice area?


Just so you know, Tokyo 'prefecture' has 23 wards (like small cities) and about 12 cities within its boundaries. Each city has its own suburbs, Tokyo is as spread out as Los Angeles and takes at least an hour to the outer reaches of Tokyo. You can take the train to Yokohama in 40 minutes.

http://web-japan.org/region/pref/tokyo.html


I dont live in Tokyo but Tokyo is a huge, sprawling metropolis. Tokyo area is like a small state in the US and is run by a governor, not a mayor. Maybe someone here can tell you what its like at schools in central Tokyo (anything within the Yamanote Loop Line)
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ripslyme



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the best suburb of Toyko? You might as well ask "What's the best suburb of New York, Los Angeles, London, Paris, etc..." Rolling Eyes
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skomand



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, i'd just like to hear if someone knows a nice place, and why they think it's nice, that's all. i'm not really looking for an objective "best place"
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

skomand wrote:
well, i'd just like to hear if someone knows a nice place, and why they think it's nice, that's all. i'm not really looking for an objective "best place"


I live in Kyoto, have lived here for about 13 years and i like it for its size and atmosphere. Whether you can find a job here at a language school is another question.
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craven



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject: sales Reply with quote

I did almost 2 years at Aeon before switching to JET. While there are no sales quotas for foreign teachers per se, you WILL have to take part in sales campaigns, and you WILL be pressured to sell things to students. Aeon does this in the form of "counselling" sessions held twice a year between the foreign teacher and the student. They tell the students it's to get feedback on their progress, but you have to recommend whatever book Aeon happens to be selling at the time to "help" them.
You may also be asked to attend parties where students can practice their English, and hand out flyers on the street.
I'd avoid the entire Hokuriku area (west coast...Toyama, Ishikawa, Fukui)...

Let's all try and be pleasant to each other folks...the negative tone this board has taken in the past few months has been really off-putting. Embarassed
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Chris21



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd like to second the suggestion to be more positive on this board. Skomand, you seem to be taking a lot of flak for very reasonable questions (at least they seem reasonable to me).

As for Tokyo suburbs, it really depends on what kind of life you want to live. If you don't care about high rent, and don't mind living in a small place, then I think Shibuya is the most exciting place in the city.

If you'd like to live a little quieter, I think Machida is a nice place. It's about equadistant to both the center of Tokyo and Yokohama. You can catch an express train on the Odakyu line that will get you to Shinjuku in 35 minutes, or take JR into Yokohama in about 30 minutes. There's also a Costco in Machida, in case you're interested in buying foreign foods. The one drawback is that there is an air force base, and the loud jets and soldiers on leave may be a bit unpleasant. Although military bases surround Tokyo, so you'll have the same problem pretty much wherever you live in Tokyo (unless you live in the center of the city). Anyway, Machida is my recommendation.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wards of Tokyo I think are most pleasant for working and living- Meguro, Setagaya, Suginami. All well connected by lots of train and subway lines and within 10- 20 mins of Shinjuku and Shibuya. Mix of high- and low-rise residential areas with some parks and not too much industry. Fairly densely populated near the stations but not too bad as you get furtherout.

Interesting places for shopping and eating or just hanging out like Shimo-Kitazawa, Jiyugaoka, Daikanyama and Kichijoji are very close.

Aeon and Geos both have loads of schools in these areas and there is a good chance you would be living near your work place.

Even if you were placed elsewhere in Tokyo it would be worthwhile looking in to these areas as somewhere to live.
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movinaround



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seanmcginty wrote:
I worked for both companies. GEOS Akashi and Hankyu Rokko were good branches to work at, at least they were 6 years ago. AEON Himeji was pretty good too, except the manager was a pain. That was more than 3 years ago though so it might have gotten better. Other than that I've no idea.


Yah, I worked there at the same time (went to your wedding) and the staff and foreign teachers were great. The boss was definitely a control freak, but you could get around it after learning the ropes. One nice thing about AEON Himeji branch is it's right on the border of AEON Kansai and whatever it is called to the west of that. You don't get a lot of interference from Honbu (headquarters) and the school has a bit of a different feel Smile
For Geos, I heard you are really pushed into being a sales person. AEON makes you sell some books twice a year, but it's not near as bad from what I heard of Geos before leaving Japan (in 2004).

Still any advice is probably moot anyways. Managers, coworkers and staff change a lot. Just one bad gaijin teacher can ruin things. A cool manager can make life wonderful. etc etc...


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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd recommend giving JET another shot. Use the year to upgrade your skills (take ESL teacher training, if you haven't, get experience in teaching, get experience in Japanese things). Try to get feedback on where you went wrong in the first place (Statement of purpose, experience, education related to your own country and to Japan). Probably the most common error is to start writing how much you know about Japan and what going to Japan will give you, rather than what they actually need- somebody who can talk about their own culture and what they can give to Japan. Knowledge of Japan is evidence of an interest in it beyond the paycheck. Knowledge of Japanese should be pretty obvious given that most JETs are in rural areas where very few people speak English.

While JET is not limited to teaching English, it is basically the whole job. JETs often teach culture as much as language (which doesn't say we teach a lot of culture, just that we don't teach that much language), but often not explicitly in a 'This class will be about the culture of X country' sort of a way. Nor would the kids be interested in that type of a thing, usually.

Three years is the normal limit. There are now fourth and fifth year positions fro elemenatary ALTs and prefectural advisors. I'll be starting a fourth year as an elementary ALT in a little over a month. Fourth year positions require a new application, this time in Japanese, and an interview, which is also in Japanese.

JET is also useful because being in a regular school is good experience for getting into a private JHS or SHS after (except that the JET start and finish dates are not the same as the time of year that most companies hire- many people who want to do this spend a few months either in their home countries or studying Japanese language or TEFL in Japan while waiting for the hiring season to begin). Or else they simply get a couple of part time jobs that they can leave easily. The most common thing to do seems to be to go to graduate school, though.
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craven



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:34 am    Post subject: JET again Reply with quote

Yeah, I second giving JET another chance...that being said though, I appreciate it because after 2 years of eikaiwa, I was more than happy to have ample free time to study. People who aren't self-motivated (studying Japanese, online degrees, writing, etc) tend to feel pretty underused in the public schools. Some people can handle the sales atmosphere of the eikaiwa chains, but I found it pretty unpleasant. I'm much happier in the public school system.

You also make a fair bit more money to start...the catches are a)the timing/lengthy interview process and b) chance of being stuck WAAAAYYY out in the outback!
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