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ANY ASIAN TEACHING ENGLISH IN CHINA?
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kean



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 8:38 am    Post subject: ANY ASIAN TEACHING ENGLISH IN CHINA? Reply with quote

Any asian teaching english in china?
I have heard alot about employers who prefer to employ the caucasian than a asian.
There is also news about asian who manage to secure a teaching job in china.
Please share about your gateway to teaching english in china for an asian.

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Super Mario



Joined: 27 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I encouraged my school, successfully, to employ an Indian teacher.
But then her English was excellent.
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Gorak



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, let me add to the 3.6 kilos of postings on this topic by saying that it is like a Caucasian teaching Chinese in Australia. Its all about perception.
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Roger



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 4:24 pm    Post subject: Re: ANY ASIAN TEACHING ENGLISH IN CHINA? Reply with quote

kean wrote:
Any asian teaching english in china?
I have heard alot about employers who prefer to employ the caucasian than a asian.

Smile


If you cross an Asian with what you call a "Caucasian" what are you going to get? Eurasian, right? So why use such an outmoded and incorrect term?

The white face syndrome is alive and well but it is not always active; some employers look at the cost per unit, and have decided to hire Filippinos or Indians, and you can't tell me these employers are making mistakes! A Filippino earning 4000 in China must be a much happier person than a Filippina working for a Hong Kong-Chinese family as their domestic helper earning just under RMB 4000!
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Super Mario



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A Filippino earning 4000 in China must be a much happier person than a Filippina working for a Hong Kong-Chinese family as their domestic helper earning just under RMB 4000!

And they sure as hell won't be working an 80 hour week either.
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kev7161



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a "white" person teach me Spanish in college, so why not a "white" person teaching Chinese? (but I get your point)
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stil



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:21 am    Post subject: Re: ANY ASIAN TEACHING ENGLISH IN CHINA? Reply with quote

kean wrote:
Any asian teaching english in china?
I have heard alot about employers who prefer to employ the caucasian than a asian.
There is also news about asian who manage to secure a teaching job in china.
Please share about your gateway to teaching english in china for an asian.

Smile


All the teaching in my school is Asian. As far as Asian teachers teaching English, well there are about 25 Asian teachers here who are all actually Chinese. I'm the only one that is not.
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kean



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:45 am    Post subject: Re: ANY ASIAN TEACHING ENGLISH IN CHINA? Reply with quote

stil wrote:
kean wrote:
Any asian teaching english in china?
I have heard alot about employers who prefer to employ the caucasian than a asian.
There is also news about asian who manage to secure a teaching job in china.
Please share about your gateway to teaching english in china for an asian.

Smile


All the teaching in my school is Asian. As far as Asian teachers teaching English, well there are about 25 Asian teachers here who are all actually Chinese. I'm the only one that is not.


A Booster for me... Very Happy
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kean



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:13 am    Post subject: Re: ANY ASIAN TEACHING ENGLISH IN CHINA? Reply with quote

kean wrote:
Any asian teaching english in china?
I have heard alot about employers who prefer to employ the caucasian than a asian.
There is also news about asian who manage to secure a teaching job in china.
Please share about your gateway to teaching english in china for an asian.

Smile


Is starting teaching in a elementary school a good start for a newbie?
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Voldermort



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kean, What is your nationality? Did you immigrate and now want to go back to China?

You may very well hold a foreign passport, but that alone will not qualify you to teach in China. From your 3 posts I have noticed that your English level is not to the same standard as most foreigners, this may cause you some headaches while looking for a job.

In all honesty, I can't see you getting a teaching position with the same benefits as most FT's. First, you are not white, while this is not a big deal it will lead to further scrutiny(?) of your experience and qualifications. Second, are you qualified or experienced enough to teach here? By qualifications I also mean some sort of English qualifications.

You should expect to be treated the same as a Chinese teacher, amybe just a touch better having foreign experience. But you are going to have to prove yourself over and over to get to the same level as the rest of us.
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bearcanada



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kean is Chinese, most likely looking for info on hiring Philippinos.

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Ecosa



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Kean, I am of Asian heritage, brought up in Australia and have been teaching ESL for the last few years.

The school I am working for and have worked for required a Uni degree and/or TESOL and TEFL Certification. As long as you sound like a native English Speaker (US, Canada, UK, NZ, AUST, S Africa preferred) and confident with your English Language abilities, teaching kids should not be a problem.

Teaching kids will require a great deal of energy, the ability to adapt and and be creative so the students are engaged with what needs to be taught.
Perhaps teaching English in an Elementary School is a good starting point for you if you have such qualities.

As for proving yourself - as long as you can show the school that you are willing and able then they will be more than happy to renew your contract. Though you may be teaching kids, you still need to watch out for simple grammatical problems, they need to develop good habits from an early age! (No one expects you to be perfect, we all make mistakes, but if you make too many don't be surprised if your credibility is questioned)

As schools vary in what they are looking for with hiring FT's I can't comment on their preferences. Just be responsive and use some initiative to maximise your chances. Whislt in China develop good relationships and don't burn your bridges.

Good luck!
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Damo22



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My girlfriend is British Born Chinese and she is currently teaching English with me in China. Yes, there is some discrimination, but it is still possible to get a good job.
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movinaround



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This might or might not help, but one of my friends was Colombian and she got a job in China. Her English was absolutely excellent and she had a CELTA though.

Disclaimer:
I know the OP asked about asian experiences, I thought this might help though Wink
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writpetition



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm Indian and I've taught in China for about four years. Most times, it's difficult landing a 'good' job. There are a few that offer low pay, too much work etc. but good university positions are normally hard to come by. And, I'd rather not work for the training centres as some of them can be very bad employers. State-run universities don't pay too much but, all in all, they are much better...and teaching English major students at university can sometimes be a real pleasure.

I have taught two years at the university I am currently at and they're offering to renew my contract but without any increase in salary. That bothers me and I haven't signed the contract yet. They (the FAO people) say my salary is the highest and that's their excuse for not offering a raise (I suspect there are other unstated reasons, too). I admit my salary is higher than the other FT's here (and, in this, my uni. has been quite fair to me...paying me, as they do, more than the two Americans who are newbies to teaching though I'm brown-skinned) but I do have a fair bit of teaching experience and also some published work to my credit in China (including a book of short stories).

I have until the end of the month to say yes and I think I will. A known devil...
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