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Pinkpepper
Joined: 16 Jun 2006
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Location: Ulsan, South Korea
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 Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject: working illegally |
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Hi,
am a newbie and I just applied for a summer camp job in Taiwan.
I (once again) rushed into everything and now I am in a bit of a stupid situation:
I signed the contract already, will be starting mid July and end end of August. I only asked my employer about visas and all that after I signed the contract (stupid, stupid, stupid!) and he said that I should apply for a tourist visa. But I did some research and aparrently that is illegal if I want to work as a teacher. And I don't really want to work illegally.
Plus, I was planning to get there on a one-way ticket and aparrently that will be a problem if I want a visa?
Also, the job doesn't pay very much and it will not be worth it for me to go there for a month and then go back to Germany (where I am flying from). I would ideally try to find a teachng job for 3- 4 months in Korea, but is that even realistic?
What should I do??? Can I still cancel the job even if I signed the contract? Should I work illegally?
Help! (Why do I always do this to myself??)
Your advice will be very much appreciated. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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An employment contract based upon illegal employment cannot be enforced. Feel free to let the employer know that you have decided not to take the job as you have found out that it is illegal. If they have a problem with that then tell them to take it up with the authorities in Taiwan  |
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Pinkpepper
Joined: 16 Jun 2006
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Location: Ulsan, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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okay, cool.
thank you. am relieved.
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Pop Fly
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:03 am Post subject: Re: working illegally |
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| Pinkpepper wrote: |
Plus, I was planning to get there on a one-way ticket and aparrently that will be a problem if I want a visa?
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You haven't bought a ticket yet, ergo, you are still overseas, right? I highly doubt your contract is anything but a hint that whomever signed you up thinks he may have a teacher. Nothing is sure until you give them a health certificate and your passport photocopies so they can apply for a work permit. Once you give an employer this paperwork, then and only then are you legally committing to a job. Heckfire, even once the work permit has been issued, you can still change your mind. A contract signed from overseas binding? I hardly think so.
If it's summer camp you are after, go to Korea. They'll fly you over.
Also, I have entered Taiwan on a one-way ticket plenty of times. It is a risky bit though, as it is the airlines ultimate resp. to ensure you have onward travel means. You can be forced to buy a ticket to HK. Once, in Bangkok, a young lady from San Francisco was being given the 3rd degree over not having any means of exodus. This was past customs, at the gate, where the interrogation was going on. The gal and I had been chatting earlier, so I took it upon myself to mention that there was a boat out of Keelung that she could take to exit the country, but obviously, purchasing a ticket in advance was impossible. She told the failed fllight attendants that she could always exercise this new option, which seemingly relieved the airline of sufficient enough responsibility to allow her passage.
As far as the TECO goes, they'll usually settle for an itinerary, available (as a price quote) from any travel agent. Gosh darnit, you can make it look like you are doing a tour of southeast asia, with a 35 day stop in Taipei to visit some teacher friends, badabing, badaboom, you gots yerself a vv. |
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BigWally
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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Pop,
Quick question for you....or for anyone else for that matter. 
To get our visitors visa, my gf & I are booking our one-way trip to KHH thru a local chinese travel agent (who gave us a great deal). We're then planning on purchasing a refundable ticket from KHH to HK from expedia. Are you saying that the TECO office would be satisfied with just an itenerary (no actual tickets?) to recieve the VV?
Once we're in KHH we would simply refund the expedia ticket, and apply for our resident visa thru the school we're working for. Although, I'm not exactly sure how refundable tickets work, has anyone booked refundable tickets before (thru expedia?), whats the "refund" process??
I'm gonna be booking all these flights on my credit card, and I just dont want to get stuck with extra tickets i dont want.
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SanChong
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Hey Big Wally,
That should be entirely fine. Generally, you don't even need to actually purchase a ticket. Using an itinerary should be enough to get your visitor's visa.
Let us know how it goes! |
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BigWally
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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I'm not so much worried about getting the Visitors Visa, but more so getting thru Taiwan immigration with only an itenerary.
I think my plan of booking a refundable ticket thru expedia as my ticket which proves that i'm leaving the country will satisfy even the most strict immigration official. Once i'm in country i can refund that portion and then just get my residents visa without worry.
I'll be sure to keep updating throughout the move...only 2 months to go!!!
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SanChong
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You are correct that technically immigration could stop you on the way through without an outbound ticket. I've never heard of that happening though.
Actually, I did hear of it happening once, but it was 3rd hand. They just made the person buy a ticket to HK before they went through customs. It was a refundable ticket, so no harm done. |
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BigWally
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Hmmm....well in that case i might rethink my strategy...if i dont have to go thru that hassle then i wont worry about until i'm there...
unless someone wants to prove San wrong!?!   |
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Pop Fly
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Of all the countries I've visited, Taiwan is the easiest to enter. By far. Thailand is #2. The most difficult country to enter, hands down....Canada.
Like I said, you don't (okay most likely won't) have to prove to anyone other than the airline that you have purchased means of onward travel. |
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Aristotle
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:55 am Post subject: |
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The fact of the matter is that nearly every minority non-ROC teacher on Taiwan has been forced to work illegally at some point or another.
The system is designed to do this and there are some very bad reasons for it. Many of the reasons we are forced to work illegally have to do with racism, oppression and corruption.
Get a Multiple Entry Visa through a travel agent before you arrive. It will solve many problems and leaves you less vulnerable than many of the so called "legal" ways to find work on Taiwan.
There is no rule of law on occupied Taiwan only rule of corruption. If you want to live here you need to find a way that works for you.
Here are some pointers.
Please read this,
10 Steps to Success on Taiwan!
Good luck!
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Pop Fly
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| Aristotle wrote: |
The fact of the matter is that nearly every minority non-ROC teacher on Taiwan has been forced to work illegally at some point or another.
The system is designed to do this and there are some very bad reasons for it. Many of the reasons we are forced to work illegally have to do with racism, oppression and corruption.
Get a Multiple Entry Visa through a travel agent before you arrive. It will solve many problems and leaves you less vulnerable than many of the so called "legal" ways to find work on Taiwan.
There is no rule of law on occupied Taiwan only rule of corruption. If you want to live here you need to find a way that works for you.
Here are some pointers.
Please read this,
10 Steps to Success on Taiwan!
Good luck!
A. |
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SanChong
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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The fact of the matter is that nearly every minority non-ROC teacher on Taiwan has been forced to work illegally at some point or another.
The system is designed to do this and there are some very bad reasons for it. Many of the reasons we are forced to work illegally have to do with racism, oppression and corruption.
Get a Multiple Entry Visa through a travel agent before you arrive. It will solve many problems and leaves you less vulnerable than many of the so called "legal" ways to find work on Taiwan.
There is no rule of law on occupied Taiwan only rule of corruption. |
If you are new to this website, you can ignore the above. Aristotle is ESL Cafe's equivalent of the crazy guy yelling on the corner of a random block in your city.
As always, Aristotle, we'd ask that you offer some proof for your fantastical statements. You make the same statements over and over and over and over and over and over again. Your broken record isn't convincing anyone. |
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BigWally
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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| Aristotle wrote: |
| The fact of the matter is that nearly every minority non-ROC teacher on Taiwan has been forced to work illegally at some point or another. |
i'm sure this is true for many teachers, i mean when i first arrive in the country, i wont have my residents visa for a few weeks, but i'll be going thru the application process while i'm in paid training, so technically i guess that would validate this statement, although it is grasping at straws
| Aristotle wrote: |
| The system is designed to do this and there are some very bad reasons for it. Many of the reasons we are forced to work illegally have to do with racism, oppression and corruption. |
this, i cant comment on, although its suprising to me that there are so many teachers who put up with all these "awful" conditions and still end up having a wonderful time
| Aristotle wrote: |
| Get a Multiple Entry Visa through a travel agent before you arrive. It will solve many problems and leaves you less vulnerable than many of the so called "legal" ways to find work on Taiwan. |
this is another option, although more expensive initially, i think the cost of the MEV is double that of a 60 day VV, and with all the initial costs of moving, getting set up, saving money where you can is a good thing, and if you're not going to be needing to make visa runs, then its really unnecessary |
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SanChong
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this is another option, although more expensive initially, i think the cost of the MEV is double that of a 60 day VV, and with all the initial costs of moving, getting set up, saving money where you can is a good thing, and if you're not going to be needing to make visa runs, then its really unnecessary
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It's the same price for a Multiple entry as for a single entry visitor's visa. I think what Aristotle was suggesting was that to never get a working permit/ ARC and to continually leave and return to Taiwan every 2 months on your Multiple Entry visa. This is an absolutely HORRIBLE idea. Taiwan is becoming more and more strict about teachers working legally. This would be a very good way to get deported and rightfully so. In fact, no reputable school would even hire someone without getting them a work permit. The fines for illegally employing workers now are huge and no good school would care to risk that. |
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