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dreaming_saturn



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:48 am    Post subject: Kagoshima city -new to Japan , any info? Reply with quote

Hi all,

I'm considering a job in Kagoshima city beginning late August at a conversation school. The pay seems kind of low -is pay and the cost of living lower there?

Also, any info on Kagoshima city would be really appreciated.

Thanks!
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luckbox



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: Kagoshima city -new to Japan , any info? Reply with quote

dreaming_saturn wrote:
Hi all,

I'm considering a job in Kagoshima city beginning late August at a conversation school. The pay seems kind of low -is pay and the cost of living lower there?

Also, any info on Kagoshima city would be really appreciated.

Thanks!


I never lived in Kagoshima (so I can't comment on the cost of living), but I did some travelling around there and it's a really interesting part of Japan. It's got ferry service to the magical island if Yakushima (amazing hiking, forests and hot springs; Yakushima is a UNESCO wold eco site), ferries to Okinawa, and maybe even ferries to Taiwan (??). I really enjoyed the relaxed feel of Kagoshima City (somewhere I read it's often called the Naples of Japan, not so sure about that). The region is famous for hot springs (Ibusuki's famous sand bath to the south), and Kagoshima City has lots of quality onsen choices, as does neighbouring Sakurajima (a big, active volcanoe, short ferry ride away). The region also has some amazing hiking areas, especially Ebino Kogen to the north. The local food of Kagoshima, Satsuma ryori, is delicious, as is the famous imo-shochu (distilled potato liquor). Due to its southerly location, the climate is quite nice, hot summers, and relatively mild winters compared to Honshu.

Kagoshima is on my top 5 would love to live there places in Japan. If I can land a decent job there, I may just follow through on that some day.

Good luck and have fun.
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Sheik_Yerbouti



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived in Kags for three years. Sorry to say, Kags is not much of a cheaper place to live than any other part of Japan. Kags is very laid back and the people are friendly. The scenery is amazing and there is lots of outdoor activities to be found.

I foolishly left Kags for the pit that is Tohoku (north of Tokyo). I have driven across Japan three times, from Kags to Tokyo, and I truly believe Kags is the most beautiful prefeture in Japan. Even though I make more in Tohoku, I'd trade it for a lower salary in Kagoshima any day.

Take a look at http://www.pref.kagoshima.jp/home/english/ That will give you a good idea of what you can find there.
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dreaming_saturn



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you both for the useful information - I've been researching the place quite a lot and came across another great site :
http://www.city.kagoshima.lg.jp/WebGuide/kago_kanko.nsf/42aee308d5a6198f49256b81004676fe/204d78f9d24a128749256b82001fc061?OpenDocument

It looks really nice.

Sheik_Yerbouti : I'm sorry to hear that the cost of living isn't lower. I think for a first job in Japan ( I have 5 years of experience and a B.ed for secondary EFL) and coming from overseas, I should I consider the position, but - 210,000- seems pretty low. Everything else about the job seems great.

I'm not just planning on coming over to try out TESL, I've been teaching in the Netherlands for over 5 years so I should be able to save a little and not just scrape by at this point.
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Ai



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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210,000- seems pretty low. Everything else about the job seems great.


YIKES! That is too low! Unless your housing is free or you have really low teaching hours, I wouldn't take it. You should be able to make at least 250.000 which is the standard starting wage.
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Sheik_Yerbouti



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dreaming_saturn wrote:
Thank you both for the useful information - I've been researching the place quite a lot and came across another great site :
http://www.city.kagoshima.lg.jp/WebGuide/kago_kanko.nsf/42aee308d5a6198f49256b81004676fe/204d78f9d24a128749256b82001fc061?OpenDocument

It looks really nice.

Sheik_Yerbouti : I'm sorry to hear that the cost of living isn't lower. I think for a first job in Japan ( I have 5 years of experience and a B.ed for secondary EFL) and coming from overseas, I should I consider the position, but - 210,000- seems pretty low. Everything else about the job seems great.

I'm not just planning on coming over to try out TESL, I've been teaching in the Netherlands for over 5 years so I should be able to save a little and not just scrape by at this point.


Ouch. 210,000 is low salary. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but salaries are going down across the board. It is rare to find even 250,000 these days. You could probably make up the difference if you hustled and got yourself some privates.

As for your experience and education, I am also sorry to say those aren't very relevant in Japan. There are a lot of new comers who have stars in their eyes and will take the first offer they get. Basically, gaijin are easy to replace and the schools have caught on. They can afford the take-it-or-leave-it mentality because there is always someone who will take it.

For a variety of reasons 'quality EFL education' has not entered the Japanese lexicon yet. There are some places that care, but in my experience, those places are quite rare. The rest truly do not care just so long as they can show off their gaijin's blonde hair and blue eyes to the paying parents who want to see such things.

210,000/month sounds iffy at best. Unless your rent is paid for, I'd shop around. Good luck.
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hivans



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am living in Kagoshima now, and I believe it is a bit cheaper than places like Tokyo and Osaka. For example. the rent on my two room apartment is 42,000 a month which might be hard to find in the bigger cities in Honshu. (However, I do live on the outskirts of the city).

Having said that, 210,000 is a bit low. Do they mean take home pay, I wonder? I think that would be managable but if the deductions and rent all come out from 210,000 then it would be pretty low. I don't think you would starve but you might have to live rather carefully and/or look at at doing some private lessons (although that can be difficult depending on the employer).

Aside from the money, I enjoy living in Kagoshima. It's my own experience but I find the people really friendly. Maybe I have just been lucky but I have so many stories of people who have been amazingly kind to me, and I have found that every time I go out I strike up conversations with people and make new friends.

At times, it feels a bit like Kagoshima is the capital of its own country. The prefecture is a large one, covering several islands to the south. I have met people from the some of the smaller islands who have hardly ever been outside the prefecture and still call Tokyo "Edo"! With the various islands, hot baths, moutains etc there are a lot of great trips you can do based in Kagoshima.

On the down side it can be difficult to get cheaply and quickly to the rest of the Japan (or an international destination). It will be very hot in August - mid 30s every day except when the typhoons come as they do from August to October. Also, the local volcano has been forcast to become a bit more active in the near future which means ash can clog up the air conditioner. Apparantly,though, a small increase in activity is a good sign as the big bang which will one day wipe the city out will come after a prolonged period of pressure building up in the volcano - but this will be sometime in the next 10,000 years according to a professor from Kyoto university.

Two more unconnected things: I have also read that it is the most alcoholic prefecture in Japan - although I don't know how that could be calculated. There is also a very active chapter of JALT - the language teacher's association here.

I could say a lot more, but perhaps if it is useful you could PM (or post again) so I could answer specific points? Good luck with your decision anyway.
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Khyron



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hivans wrote:
Apparantly,though, a small increase in activity is a good sign as the big bang which will one day wipe the city out will come after a prolonged period of pressure building up in the volcano - but this will be sometime in the next 10,000 years according to a professor from Kyoto university.
That prof has no idea when it will go. Maybe using the data he has, and assuming that a constant rate of whatever the volcano is doing will continue doing, he thinks he can inform everyone that it won't blow in our lifetimes. But, he would be assuming a constant rate for something that is as constant as the weather. Natural phenominon changes all the time. The fact is that it could blow before the OP finished his first contract in Japan, and nobody would know yet.

Then again, I don't think it's worth worrying about. If any of us were deathly afraid of natural disasters, we wouldn't be living in Japan (earthquake for lunch anyone?).

Sorry for the rant...

I've never been to Kagoshima. I've been to Kyushu 5 times, but it was to Fukuoka everytime (including a drive up through Kitakyushu on a trip to Hiroshima). After spending some time in Fukuoka, and having lived in the Tokyo area for the last few months, I can say that if the same job I have now was offered to me in Fukuoka (or any city in Kyushu), I'd be there tomorrow. Just about everyone I've talked to who has been to Kyushu tells me that it's their favourite part of Japan (that they've seen). From the pictures I've seen of Kagoshima, I was very impressed. It looks awesome. It's definitely on my list of places to see in Japan.

For the record, I (and most other ESLers) would not move there, or anywhere in Japan, for 210,000 yen a month (unless rent and other good things were included in the package). If that's all I could get here, I'd be saying "annyoung hasaeyo" and moving to Korea. Jeju-do is nice. If I were you, I wouldn't accept less than 250,000 a month. Since you have a B.Ed., you will be able to find more somewhere in Japan if you keep looking. I don't know what is available in Kagoshima, but there should definitely be a gig available for at least 250,000. Maybe you could look at some other Kyushuian Very Happy cities, if you can't find a good wage in Kags.
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