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Why do so many Americans know so little of the world outside
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cabbagehead



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon,

just to set the record straight, Lajzar isn't confused. He saw the original thread I got the original question from which did in fact involve someone trying to get Swiss nationality despite not knowing Switzerland was not in the EU.

And speaking of that and now that we've got a good four pages out of the original question, how about this?....

The personal who will continue to remain nameless changed their question in a later reply into a much more interesting one, namely

Why is it that so many people attracted to jobs in TESOL know little about the world outside their own cabbage patch ?"
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Steiner



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, cabbagehead--you're also shmooj?
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cabbagehead



Joined: 22 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah Steiner. Long story can be summarised thus:

1. Getting tons of junk email on by web based account so...
2. Changed my email on my profile here
3. Set up new email account ten seconds later
4. Realise my Shmooj profile is locked Evil or Very Mad

Should have done 2 and 3 in reverse order. I didn't know the forum would auto mail me a confirmation for changing my email. Shmooj is locked cos that confirmation email must have bounced before I set up the new email. Dave let me in as Cabbagehead but seemed to ignore my please to unlock my Shmooj account!!!!

So, yeah I'm Cabbagehead for now but would like to go back to my previous incarnation if possible DAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks cabbagehead/shmooj,
I was wondering what Switzerland had to do with anything. Embarassed


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Why is it that so many people attracted to jobs in TESOL know little about the world outside their own cabbage patch ?"


I don't think it's just TEFLers, most people in general don't know anything outside of their little world. I think most EFL teachers have a better grasp of what's going on than most because we travel and live overseas more. Go home for a visit and talk to people and you'll realize how shallow and insular many of them are. Not trying to puff ourselves up, just my humble opinion.
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Wolf



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:
Thanks cabbagehead/shmooj,
I was wondering what Switzerland had to do with anything. Embarassed


Quote:
Why is it that so many people attracted to jobs in TESOL know little about the world outside their own cabbage patch ?"




I, for one, was dimly aware that I didn't know much of the world outside my province. I went "over there" in order to find out the hard/fun way.
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cabbagehead



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think TEFL teaching has suited me so well because I grew up as an ex-pat kid anyway. When I went back to the UK for secondary/high school ed, I was confronted by horrendous reverse culture shock. When I told people where my parents were they had no idea these places (Gambia, Liberia, Jordan) existed at all. I felt very out of it.

But as I grew up I realised that I wanted to, as Wolf said, keep learning about the world outside. TEFL enables me to do that... or does it Question

Am I in fact moving around the world now in a sort of TEFL bubble? That worries me a bit. I'm working at a very small, low key school now but I guess if I worked for someone like the British Council or a bigger school I'd perhaps only be fooling myself into thinking I was living in and learning from the world outside.

I've often wondered if working your way around the world with someone like the British Council would be akin to taking a coach tour to a foreign land and not getting off Smile
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Roger



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am sure that being on the TEFL planet is being removed from humanity. You are insulated from the outside by this bubble.
I experienced China very differently when I backpacked around the country at a time when getting a teaching position was almost unheard of.
The occasional white teacher you met was a kind of magic man or woman, an insider who couldn't see China the way we outsiders saw it.
Now I am an "insider" myself! Good that I got hold of a ticket for Shanghai this weekend - so I can experience China in the old way again.
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Steiner



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In reply to the original topic...

I just had to come and post after watching the Shanghai English news. The anchorgirl reported that there was a meeting of Central Asian leaders in "Almaty, the capital of Kazakhstan."

Almaty has not been the capital of Kazakhstan for five years! The capital was moved north to Astana (formerly Akmola, but changed because Akmola means "white tomb" in Kazak) in 1998. Is it really too much to expect a national news program to be able to correctly identify the capital city of its neighbor to the west? Is it? Is it? I know, I'm anal about stupid stuff like this, but COME ON!
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cabbagehead



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked

Let's club together and buy them an atlas Rolling Eyes
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:41 am    Post subject: deadbeats in this line of business. Reply with quote

The harsh reality isthat our noble profesion attracts a large number of deadbeats, drongoes,f@@kallsters, dropouts and plain cretins. By the law of averages some of them must be USAnians.

The guy who wanted the "EU passport" because his grandad was born in the Swiss Confederation just happens to be one of them. And he happens to be a USAnian.

(I refuse to call him "American" - that means anyone from North , Central or South America.)
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Capergirl



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:39 am    Post subject: Re: deadbeats in this line of business. Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:

(I refuse to call him "American" - that means anyone from North , Central or South America.)


I'm Canadian and we say "American" when talking about one of our neighbours to the south. I'd never think "American" referred to me unless "North" was put in front of it. USAnian? Now that's just too hard to say. Wink Laughing
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:41 am    Post subject: what to call them ? Reply with quote

USAnian is hard to say ? Okay how about "Usanal" ?
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Capergirl



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Seth



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scot has a tender place in his heart for Americans so he gives us special names (most I can't say on a public forum) like USAnians. Some have adopted this practice but not many. The strange thing is, the same people also use the term 'North American Accent' instead of 'American accent' or 'Canadian accent' or use the term 'North American' to refer to a Canadian or American. But Mexicans and Central Americans and Carribeans are also North Americans. It's very insensitive to the poor souls who have to suffer with Yanks stealing their continental identity.

The only larger crime is calling someone from Glasgow British.
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dduck



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seth wrote:
Scot has a tender place in his heart for Americans so he gives us special names (most I can't say on a public forum) like USAnians. Some have adopted this practice but not many. The strange thing is, the same people also use the term 'North American Accent' instead of 'American accent' or 'Canadian accent' or use the term 'North American' to refer to a Canadian or American. But Mexicans and Central Americans and Carribeans are also North Americans. It's very insensitive to the poor souls who have to suffer with Yanks stealing their continental identity.

The only larger crime is calling someone from Glasgow British.


I sometimes use USers, but I'm prepared to change!

Also I'm fascinated, ever more, by how people refer to the Americas. As I understand it Central America is in Central America and not in North America. This means that Mexicans are North Americans, but Guatemalans are not. Also North America is a sub-continent.

Finally, as a Dundonian (i.e. from Dundee, Scotland) I am Scots, Scottish, British, and European, but definitely not English! That is the larger crime.
Iain
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