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cafebleu



Joined: 10 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:17 am    Post subject: Please don't let HIS get away with this - boycott the Reply with quote

Cheating swine.

www.japantimes.com has a story on how HIS travel agency has been swindling foreigner customers for years by charging about 20,000 yen or more higher prices. Go to that website and read it while you can - you have to register to read Japan Times stories after the story has been up for a few days.

I am disgusted by these HIS people and their excuses. In a normal country they would be sued but of course this is Japan so lying and cheating can be excused in all sorts of ways. I did a calculation based on info from Jp friends and I and my husband were cheated out of around 200,000 yen over the time we used HIS when we lived in Japan.

Get angry about it too - and remember that anger without action means nothing. Boycott HIS and tell them why - the fact that too many Japanese feel they are justified in pulling stunts like this has no relevance in the real world.
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luckbox



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:44 am    Post subject: Re: Please don't let HIS get away with this - boycott the Reply with quote

cafebleu wrote:
Cheating swine.

www.japantimes.com has a story on how HIS travel agency has been swindling foreigner customers for years by charging about 20,000 yen or more higher prices. Go to that website and read it while you can - you have to register to read Japan Times stories after the story has been up for a few days.

I am disgusted by these HIS people and their excuses. In a normal country they would be sued but of course this is Japan so lying and cheating can be excused in all sorts of ways. I did a calculation based on info from Jp friends and I and my husband were cheated out of around 200,000 yen over the time we used HIS when we lived in Japan.

Get angry about it too - and remember that anger without action means nothing. Boycott HIS and tell them why - the fact that too many Japanese feel they are justified in pulling stunts like this has no relevance in the real world.


Interesting, and now that I think about it, there were a couple times when my HIS agent acted a bit weird about my bookings. I recall a flight to Europe I had tentatively booked, I didn't like the HIS quote, so I did my own online price searching and found the price to be about 20,000 cheaper than the HIS quote... I asked my agent about it, and threatened to book it myself via online site... and another few minutes later I was called back by the HIS agent, who said that she had, magically, found a cheaper price; 20,000 cheaper!
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JaredW



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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Location: teaching high school in Sacramento, CA, USA

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is eye-opening, and, if true, quite alarming. Now is that exclusive to the Japanese branch? Why I ask is because I always use the SFO branch since I live here in California. Thay have always offered me the best deal because I check.
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Western Japan

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JaredW wrote:
That is eye-opening, and, if true, quite alarming. Now is that exclusive to the Japanese branch? Why I ask is because I always use the SFO branch since I live here in California. Thay have always offered me the best deal because I check.


Offering different prices is illegal in Japan and they have been reported to the fair trade practices bureau in Japan. However up until now most foreigners have not done anything about it now and just accepted the quotes they are given. HIS has been caught with its pants down over this situation.

In the US the majority of customers are NOT Japanese and in the US they would get slapped with a lawsuit for discriminatory pricing.
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J.



Joined: 03 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 3:01 am    Post subject: Discrimination Reply with quote

Yes, this is what I was saying a while back...that you can never get the advertised price when you call. I got disgusted with them about a year ago when they tried to jack up the price of a trip to Vancouver and told them it was false advertising and I wouldn't be using them. At that time I didn't know about the policy, but just that I was always getting stung with higher prices, which they always attempted to justify with some fishy reason. Now I will not be using them EVER AGAIN; I have switched agencies, fed up with their tactics.

I urge everyone to do the same unless they quit this policy.Shame on them.
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used HIS travel many many times and I found their quotes exactly the same as STA or Across. How could they be charging more unless they were all doing it too. Confused Confused No question there is a lot of collusion going on, prices are outrageous during peak periods of travel, sometimes 400-500% over the low season.

That story really makes me ill, not so much that they were cheating us, but in their justifications. I probably have spent close to 2 million yen with them over the years, but never again. If the gov't had some balls, they'd make HIS pay us back. That is how they would learn their lesson.
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JimDunlop2



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing new here... I wrote a letter to the Yomiuri about it a long time ago but they chose not to publish it because of HIS advertising dollars (even though I didn't name the company explicitly). I'm glad the JT had the balls to publish what DY wouldn't.

Debito Arudo has also known about HIS charging foreigners much more for tickets for a while now.... He has been trying, but getting something done about it is not that easy.

The travel insurance company that HIS goes through charges foreigners the same amount of money as nhonjin but they get only half the coverage.. (Effectively, making it double price).
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azarashi sushi



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Location: Shinjuku

PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for bringing that to our attention Cafebleu.

That makes me so angry! Thank God I've never used HIS. Fortunately in Tokyo there are lots of other travel agents so there is no reason to use them.

The reasons they give are so pathetic I feel insulted that they actually expect anyone to believe them.

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According to Kinokuni, foreigners buy return tickets because they are cheaper than one-way tickets.


Since when has a return ticket been cheaper than a one-way ticket??? Sure it's cheaper than buying two separtate one-way tickets but you will always pay more for a return than a one-way. And if they are charging less for a return ticket, then they are truly morons.

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They then return to their countries and don't use the return portion.


I don't see the problem. Sure, someone who may have wanted to fly and couldn't get a seat will have missed out... But as far as their profit goes, it shouldn't make any difference whether the seat is full or empty (if it's been paid for).

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"In this case the airline may charge us the full fare which means low profits or a loss.


What?
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shuize



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've also had a bad experience with HIS. But I'm glad this thread is now going to help me keep a vow I made to tell as many people as possible how much they suck.

In our case, my Japanese wife booked some tickets with HIS but after my wife paid the agent called back and said she was sorry but she (the HIS agent) miscalculated the price by around 1,000 yen. It sort of sounds like what was described in the article, but the amount was so little, maybe not.

Me: "That's too bad. It's not a lot of money, but we already paid and it's a pain in the ass for her to go back to the bank to wire more money again -- not to mention the extra 500 yen bank transfer fee. You admitted it's your mistake. You should cover it."

Her: "I can't do that."

To make a long story short, they wouldn't do anything to make their mistake right. Like an idiot, I didn't follow up with a supervisor. Rather than pay a cancellation fee we ultimately paid the difference. But as I told the woman on the phone:

"We'll pay the 1,000 yen to cover your incompetence. But trust me when I say we'll never use your company again and I will tell as many people as I can how much you suck."

ETA: Reading that article makes me want to call up HIS, spend about an hour on the phone wasting their time running through all kinds of different travel options, then, just when I'm about ready to make up my mind say, "Oh, you know what, since I'm a foreigner, I guess I'll be using someone who doesn't try to screw me over." Then call right back and start over again.

I also agree with azarashi sushi, the HIS explanation is moronic. Especially since it sounds like the airlines didn't know anything about it and charge a fixed price regardless.
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