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Teababy



Joined: 19 Apr 2006
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Location: Wuhan

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lobster wrote:
I have some opinions about public conversations and learning activities. One is that as an FT, you'd better get used to the idea of having people asking you the same questions over and over again. Don't expect me to commiserate on this one. Pity the poor doctor, who day after day has to listen to people complain that they don't feel well. You're being self centred. Maybe you've heard the question upteen times, but it's the first time THAT person asked you. If you have no patience and tolerance, make that a sh tload of patience and tolerance, you won't last long as a teacher anywhere. If it's a private conversation and non-EC situation, you can extract some useful Mandarin.

My second opinion concerns making the most of any learning activity. These things are what you make of them, how much you can prepare, and what your organizational skills are. Why not take your photo album of pix from back home and discuss them with people, take your MP3 player and some portable speakers along, or print out some pictures of various artworks to display? How about some group games similar to what you'd do in a classroom? How about using some creativity instead of using all your energy on self pity? You can make the best of what you have or where you are, or you can wallow around and moan.

RED



dude, we've established that some ECs are great, and they work. Other, however, for a variety of reasons, do not. These reasons may include transient attendance from week to week, which destroys any chance of building routines or expectations; the students may only be there to gawk at a foreigner, ask their set questions and then leave, their curiosity satisfied; finally, and this is closely-related to the second point, many students don't give a damn about the dynamics. They just want their turn to speak, and it doesn't matter if they interrupt others or disrupt your activities - they just want to unload their prepared questions and comments. So who's really self-centred, here?

What I'm saying is that you can organise and you can plan activities, but if the students aren't interested in them, then you've lost. I think that's what people are bemoaning and they're more than entitled to do so. Trust me when I say many FTs go in with very high expectations of what they'd like the students to achieve, only to be let down by students who can't think beyond their next question. So don't make this out to be the fault of the FTs.
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Lobster



Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Location: Somewhere under the Sea

PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally understand your point about students not getting the idea and teachers getting frustrated. But, as hard as it may be, if we choose this job we have to just keep on plugging away and look at the times we have succeeded. We have to try to be creative and experiment with new approaches, especially when many strategies have proven to be ineffective. Did my suggestions for EC have no merit?

Now, if students keep coming up with the same old, tired questions, how about short-circuiting them at the outset? Make a short speech that addresses many of those questions?

Hi! My name's Lobster and I'm from Nova Scotia, Canada! I'm 28 years old. I've been in China for 18 months and I just love China and Chinese food! I can't use chopsticks or speak Chinese very well, and I've only been to Suzhou so far. Chinese people are great! Now, if you have any other questions, don't be afraid to ask!

Maybe they'd all leave after that. Sad

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Teababy



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EC is a transient little place. Newcomers wander in and ask the same questions because they missed the speech. Also, listening comp is not a strong suit of many students. I have given such speeches. "I'm from Australia bla bla. Any questions?"

"Where are you come from?"

It makes you want to kill! Shocked
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no_exit



Joined: 12 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just about to say what Teababy said. You'll say all those things, and then they'll ask the same questions anyway. Or someone will ask you, you'll answer, and then the next guy will ask the same exact question (this kind of thing happens in class all the time. You'll assign homework, for example, explain it in detail, ask if there are any questions, and move on. Five minutes later someone asks teacher, what's the homework?)

Choose a topic and don't deviate from it. Tell them you won't answer any questions that don't pertain to the topic, and stick to it. Give them a few minutes in the beginning to jot down their thoughts on the subject, and ask a few to speak. This is a sneaky way of getting them to engage in conversation. After they express their opinion, ask follow up questions, especially "why." I used to teach a class which was very discussion based, and I never let them make statements without asking them why. Don't let them get off easy with yes or no questions, make them express opinions. Call on specific students to speak (if you don't know their names, just point), because if you rely on volunteers you'll either have no one speaking but you, or the same one or two students answering everything. If you have a board available to you, make sure you write down any new words that might come up in conversation. When you say a word you suspect might be new for them, ask them who knows the word and for the definition (or translation if they can't handle defining the word using simple English).

English corners sure can be torture, but for lots of teachers they're a requirement. If you can't get out of them, you can at least try make them useful for the students and avoid answering the same 5 questions 20 times.
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