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nene



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:42 pm    Post subject: An oft repeated question Reply with quote

I'm sure it gets asked every other day, but I could use a little perspective. With a BS (in Chemistry) and one year EFL experience (in Korea), am I employable in the UAE? If so, could I teach adults? What might I expect to earn? Thank you kindly for your help.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is a weak maybe... but you would be stuck at the bottom of the pay/benefit scale - with the most undependable abusive employers... in a place where minimal enjoyment requires a decent paycheck. I'd say that you are much better off in Asia with no credentials.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This question does come up frequently. What is also frequent is the negative answer that usually accompanies it.
I could go off on a rant about how Westerners expect to live like kings after spending some time in the region with their MA's etc., but I'll save it.

Bottom line: English speaking science teachers are in demand. If you come to the UAE, 8000 Dhs/mth will do you fine (accomodation included of course) I wouldn't come over for much less than that.

If you want a Mercedes, a maid, a mansion that only medical doctors in the West can afford, then stay at home and get your MD.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, what schools would hire a chemistry degree holder if it wasn't part of an education degree? Definitely not the better ones... Considering all the horror stories about the employment practices of so many of the so-called 'international schools,' I would be very careful...

But the chances would probably be better than as an EFL teacher...

No chance of teaching adults though...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lack of Ed. degree does hurt your choices and pocketbook!
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cam



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a chemistry degree you should be able to find something better than teaching.
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nene



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cam - Do you mean in the UAE, or at home? If you mean in the UAE, I'm intrigued - if you could point me toward anything potentially useful, I'd really appreciate it...
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would just like to say that with a biology degree,4 years experience as a research biochemist,a poor TEFL cert and some teaching experience I have just accepted a secondary science teaching post at a very good school,with a good wage and accom.It can be done you just have to keep on trying,especially this time of year,some schools are very anxious to fill last minute posts,fortunate for us "lower down the pile sorts...!!"Good luck
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say yes but with a condition:in the UAE it doesnot matter if you have a BA in English or in Chemistry as long as you are a native speaker of English, which means you must be white. Your EFL/ESL certificate will easily qualilfy you to teach in any government owned school or institute there. A friend of mine who is British Asian and was born in Britain got almost through Zayed University with a Master's in TEFL until he was discovered that he was of Pakistani orgin and his applicatin was turned down. But academically speaking, your qualifications, and I am speaking from my own experience, will definitely qualify you to teach adult ESL learners in any university in the world.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

qas419 wrote:
I am speaking from my own experience, will definitely qualify you to teach adult ESL learners in any university in the world.


I would have to completely disagree with this statement as relates to the ME. In the majority of universities in the Gulf, you have little chance of teaching without a related MA plus experience. You MAY be considered if you have a education/English BA, CELTA and extensive Middle East experience on your CV.

This is absolutely NOT the part of the world where a native speaking white face gets the job for that reason alone... for that, stay in Asia...

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nene



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow - thanks all. So it sounds like, even if I wanted to try to teach chemistry, it would be advisable to make the time and money investment in a certificate. What I'm hearing is also that I should search for work in the desired country of employment, rather than from abroad - does that sound right?

I'm hesitant to invest in a cert because I don't see this as a career; I'm just finishing my first year and am considering doing one more. But it seems like even in that scenerio a certification might be worthwhile.....
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are only planning to do one more year and just want to try out the Middle East, you could go to somewhere like Egypt or Morocco and pick up jobs in Language Schools. You might be able to find something, but don't expect to make much money.

I'd say that you are probably better off in Asia...

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