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ARC expiring... waiting on papers from the ministry

 
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nenemosha



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:38 am    Post subject: ARC expiring... waiting on papers from the ministry Reply with quote

I was wondering if I could get some input my ARC from my old school is expiring this Monday. Recently I started at a new school and they sent everything in to get a new ARC for me.

The problem is I haven't received the papers yet to take to the foriegn affairs police to get my new one but when the school called to check in during the middle of the week they said they sent the papers out so we should receive them in a couple of days.

One of my co-workers said if it's this far I should be ok but I'm worried if I don't get the papers on Monday when I finally do get them and go into the foriegn affairs police I'll be in trouble for still being in Taiwan on an expired ARC. Is it true that as long as the ministry has sent out my papers that i'm ok? Or should I look into doing a visa run?
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Pop Fly



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:19 am    Post subject: Re: ARC expiring... waiting on papers from the ministry Reply with quote

nenemosha wrote:
I was wondering if I could get some input my ARC from my old school is expiring this Monday. Recently I started at a new school and they sent everything in to get a new ARC for me.

The problem is I haven't received the papers yet to take to the foriegn affairs police to get my new one but when the school called to check in during the middle of the week they said they sent the papers out so we should receive them in a couple of days.

One of my co-workers said if it's this far I should be ok but I'm worried if I don't get the papers on Monday when I finally do get them and go into the foriegn affairs police I'll be in trouble for still being in Taiwan on an expired ARC. Is it true that as long as the ministry has sent out my papers that i'm ok? Or should I look into doing a visa run?


You need to get your school to write you a letter on their letterhead avowing that the paperwork is at the CLA. Take this to the FAP first thing Monday morning. Be contrite and a little bit afraid. Chances are very good they will grant you a 30 day extension.

Even overstay usually only results in a 1000NT fine.

Best of luck. If you do have to do a visa run, I suggest Bangkok over HK as the TECO is much friendlier and BK is waaaaay cheaper. And cooler.
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wix



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 6:08 am    Post subject: Re: ARC expiring... waiting on papers from the ministry Reply with quote

Pop Fly wrote:
Best of luck. If you do have to do a visa run, I suggest Bangkok over HK as the TECO is much friendlier and BK is waaaaay cheaper. And cooler.


Cool? I don't think you're talking about the weather. But, I agree Bangkok is a much better option for a visa run.
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to your nearest Foreign Affairs Police Station and ask them for an extension.
Please read this,
10 Steps to Success on Taiwan!
Good luck!
A.
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Pop Fly



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aristotle wrote:
Go to your nearest Foreign Affairs Police Station and ask them for an extension.
Please read this,
10 Steps to Success on Taiwan!
Good luck!
A.


Don't waste your time. He is only encouraging you to be an illegal alien.
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't waste your time. He is only encouraging you to be an illegal alien.

Unfortunately Pop Fly is correct. Even if you are granted an extension you still will not be allowed to work or seek employment in the occupied territories of Taiwan and the Pescadores. Of course only the foolish or the naive would seek employment in Taiwan from abroad. If you find another job while in Taiwan you will have done so illegally thus making you an illegal alien. Chances are that your previous ARC was in fact issued through the use of fraud or deception ( nearly all are) thus you are most proably already are an illegal alien.
Immigration on Taiwan under the occupational authorities is based on racial profiling thus we are all illegal aliens unless you fit the correct racial profile.
Welcome to club!
A.
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nenemosha



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:15 pm    Post subject: where are you getting this from? Reply with quote

I don't know what I wrote that makes you believe that I somehow have a fraudulent ARC or that I'm illegal in my search for new work??!?!

Seriously Aristotle, it's been a long time since I've been on here but now it seems that you're trying to instigate fear and anxiety. You used to have a valuable tidbit or two thrown in with your nonsense.

I was legally employed at a school which sponsored my ARC. My contract ended earlier than my ARC because my school went into summer camp at the first of July. I found a school that would sponsor me for a new ARC before my old ARC expired.

As a foreign teacher, you are allowed to stay in Taiwan due to your having been hired full-time by a school. If you lost that job or quit, you would need to leave the country. The Council of Labor Affairs interprets the Employment Services Act as allowing foreign teachers to be hired by more than one school without requiring permission of their current employer. They will issue all second (and even third) full-time applications without regard to your first school. (http://www.tealit.com/arc_transfers_and_release_letters.htm)
I know three or four people who have been through this process flawlessly but they had more time on their hands than I have.


Get the facts. I feel sorry for newbies who are looking for honest and straightforward information and they get pessimistic jaded falsifications. I normally wouldn't go off like this but it's BS like this that gave me a lot of unecessary anxiety before I came over here.

I don't know why people find the need to respond when they don't even know what they're responding to or don't know the facts 100%. It'd be one thing if it was presented as a "maybe" or "from my experience" but you talk like you were sitting there when they wrote the laws.

Seriously, find a hobby and stop trying to deter people from coming to Taiwan with your fear and smear campaign.
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dvasas



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Location: Taipei, Taiwan

PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:30 pm    Post subject: Re: ARC expiring... waiting on papers from the ministry Reply with quote

nenemosha wrote:
I was wondering if I could get some input my ARC from my old school is expiring this Monday. Recently I started at a new school and they sent everything in to get a new ARC for me.

The problem is I haven't received the papers yet to take to the foriegn affairs police to get my new one but when the school called to check in during the middle of the week they said they sent the papers out so we should receive them in a couple of days.

One of my co-workers said if it's this far I should be ok but I'm worried if I don't get the papers on Monday when I finally do get them and go into the foriegn affairs police I'll be in trouble for still being in Taiwan on an expired ARC. Is it true that as long as the ministry has sent out my papers that i'm ok? Or should I look into doing a visa run?


This happened to me before, because it is in process you will be ok.
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BigWally



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Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")

PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: where are you getting this from? Reply with quote

nenemosha wrote:
Seriously, find a hobby and stop trying to deter people from coming to Taiwan with your fear and smear campaign.


HAHAHA...."fear & smear"....you should write for the US Gov't
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SanChong



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will be fine. It sounds like your school has things under control and is handling the situation properly.

As for Aristotle, I think anyone who has been to this forum more than once knows to ignore everything he says.
I could go on, but he clearly does a good enough job discrediting himself through his own words.

You are right though that he certainly causes a lot of new people coming to Taiwan a lot of nervousness and agony for NO reason.
He should really be ashamed and embarrassed about that, but apparently he's not.
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nenemosha



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: I'm ok Reply with quote

Hey just wanted to let everyone know that I'm ok. My new school actually took the ball. They took all my paperwork, passport and ARC to the Foreign police and got my extension.

They just added a line to the back of my ARC (issue number, date of expiry, stamp) that will give my school enough time to finish getting me a new ARC. I have an associate's degree (2 year diplomma) with a teaching cert. vs a degree so I always have to provide more information than degree holders and it seems to take a bit longer but it isn't too bad.

I'm impressed. I've always had to do all my own running around so I'm taken aback that my school did that for me.
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dangerousapple



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the Bangkok TECO is better now? A lot of old-timers will say to stay away from that office, as they are pretty trigger-happy with the "entry denied" stamp, or whatever it's called. Good to hear things have changed.

The Hong Kong staff might be rude, but they don't give too much hassle if you have all your paperwork with you. Last year I had some visa troubles, flew there, and got everything cleared up in a whopping 3 minutes (plus waiting until the afternoon for the new visa), while the people on either side of me got yelled at.
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Aristotle



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again,
Go down to the local FAP with your passport and ask them for an extension. You can get up to four months.
Please read this,
10 Steps to Success on Taiwan!
Good luck!
A.
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