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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:50 am    Post subject: No brain please. Reply with quote

I applied to a couple of eikaiwas listing my MA in Appiled Linguistics and teaching experience. No response.

I applied to the same eikaiwas under a different name leaving out my MA and teaching experience. 'We are pleased to invite you for an interview.'

Morons.
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wintersweet



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you think that's to be expected? I mean, you can't expect McDonald's to consider hiring experienced French chefs to flip burgers.

(duck)

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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:31 am    Post subject: Re: No brain please. Reply with quote

womblingfree wrote:
I applied to a couple of eikaiwas listing my MA in Appiled Linguistics and teaching experience. No response.

I applied to the same eikaiwas under a different name leaving out my MA and teaching experience. 'We are pleased to invite you for an interview.'

Morons.


Foreign trainers dont want to hire some one that is more qualified than them and makes them look ignorant.

Someone with an MA is probably not teachable anyway and not a team player. They think they know better than the school how to teach their students.
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: No brain please. Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
Someone with an MA is probably not teachable anyway and not a team player. They think they know better than the school how to teach their students.


Not sure if this was GEOS policy but a certain branch was telling prospective students that all their teachers had MA's in TEFL/Applied Linguistics.

Another thing you often hear is 'it's hard to get qualified teachers.'

Wonder if students would care that eikaiwas go out of their way not to employ qualified teachers?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: No brain please. Reply with quote

womblingfree wrote:

Another thing you often hear is 'it's hard to get qualified teachers.'

Wonder if students would care that eikaiwas go out of their way not to employ qualified teachers?


Somebody who has spent 20 grand on a graduate degree is drowning in student loans doesnt want to come and work here for $10 an hour at GEOS. They want something that will pay them what they think they are worth and they will be appreciated for.

NOVA pays you 5,000 yen a month extra if you have a Masters.
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 10:58 am    Post subject: Re: No brain please. Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:
Somebody who has spent 20 grand on a graduate degree is drowning in student loans doesnt want to come and work here for $10 an hour at GEOS.


Quite a few do, it's a foot in the door.

Easier to get a university job whilst in Japan with a visa isn't it? Eikaiwas seem the easiest way.

Do any uni's hire from abroad?

I was looking at a few uni jobs. Salary was 322,000 a month plus a research allowance and a few other things, travel etc.

Is that about right for a university?


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Nismo



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: No brain please. Reply with quote

womblingfree wrote:
Easier to get a university job whilst in Japan with a visa though isn't it? Eikaiwas seem the easiest way.

Do any uni's hire from abroad?

I was looking at a few uni jobs. Salary was 322,000 a month plus a research allowance and a few other things, travel etc.

Is that about right for a university?


The chance of getting hired abroad for a uni position is slim to none. You've got to invest a bit of cash and make the rounds in person. That's why eikaiwa are a necessary evil.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:12 am    Post subject: Re: No brain please. Reply with quote

womblingfree wrote:
Easier to get a university job whilst in Japan with a visa though isn't it? Eikaiwas seem the easiest way.

Do any uni's hire from abroad?


I have seen one that is hiring non-Japan residents but its part time. they want someone with a PhD and NO Japan experience.

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I was looking at a few uni jobs. Salary was 322,000 a month plus a research allowance and a few other things, travel etc.



Pay is based on age experience qualifications and whether its public or private. Research allowance varies also.

Quote:
Is that about right for a university?


Which one? There are 700 of them in Japan.
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:42 am    Post subject: Re: No brain please. Reply with quote

PAULH wrote:

Which one? There are 700 of them in Japan.


So the starting salaries vary widely between universities?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salaries vary QUITE a bit, depending on your age, experience, and the type of university and its position. I'd say the salary you quoted was woefully on the low side.

You didn't say what your teaching experience was. Care to divulge?

Also, most FT uni positions require publications under your belt. Got any?

As someone who just (successfully) completed a job search at universities, I can give you some current info in some areas. Expect a rare few to none to hire from overseas (only heard of 2 in the last year, and both required PhDs). Also expect 20-100 applicants per position, many with experience teaching at universities in Japan. Knowing a fair amount of Japanese language (written and spoken) helps, too.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

These salaries are 10 years old but I dont imagine they have changed that much, probably gone down if anything with the fall in school population and the glut of qualified teachers. Figures are in yen (annual rates)




You may also benefit from reading these articles.
http://www.eltnews.com/features/special/002a.shtml
http://www.eltnews.com/features/special/028a.shtml
http://www.eltnews.com/features/special/032a.shtml
http://www.jalt-publications.org/tlt/articles/2002/08/glick
http://www.jalt-publications.org/tlt/articles/2002/09/glick
http://www.jalt-publications.org/tlt/articles/2004/10/stapleton
http://www.jalt-publications.org/tlt/articles/2004/10/mccasland

Plus, here is some slightly old information on salaries themselves.

1997 Kansai Area Teacher Salary Scales
courtesy Michael "Rube" Redfield
Osaka University of Economics
The following is the 1997 Kansai area college teacher salary scale, complied by the Kansai Private Universities Labor Union. The three highest paying schools are listed at the top of each table, the thirty school average in the middle, and the three lowest paying colleges at the bottom. The yearly salary includes all bonuses but does not include additional sources of revenue, such as research budgets and travel allowances.
[Ed's Note: these salary scales apply to Japanese (and assumedly non-Japanese) tenured faculty.]
Table 1. These figures are for 24 year old, single instructors (joshu).
Salary Scale / University name / Yearly salary in Japanese yen
TOP THREE
# 1 Kobe Gakuin University 6,554,438
# 2 Osaka Electo-Comuni. U. 5,615,700
# 3 Otemon Gakuin U. 5,578,020
23 School Average 5,021,548
BOTTOM THREE
# 3 Osaka Tech/Setsunan U. 4,597,880
# 2 Osaka Women's Gakuen JC 4,480,226
# 1 Hagoromo Junior Col. 4,131,600

Table 2. These figures are for 30 year old Assistant Professors (koushi), married, with one child.
Salary Scale / University name / Yearly salary in Japanese yen
TOP THREE
# 1 Kobe Gakuin University 8,972,452
# 2 Kansai University 7,994,490
# 3 Kinki University 7,614,510
26 School Average 7,299,799
BOTTOM THREE
# 3 Osaka Women's Gakuen JC 6,690,234
# 2 Osaka College of Music 6,669,400
# 1 Osaka Chiyoda JC 5,995,466

Table 3. These figures are for 35 year old Associate Professors (jokyouju), married with two children.
Salary Scale / University name / Yearly salary in Japanese yen
TOP THREE
# 1 Kobe Gakuin University 10,472,725
# 2 Kansai University 9,737,330
# 3 Momoyama Gakuin U. 9,611,875
26 School Average 8,653,140
BOTTOM THREE
# 3 Hagaromo Junior Col. 8,110,200
# 2 Osaka College of Music 7,991,760
# 1 Osaka Chiyoda JC 7,330,242

Table 4. These figures are for 40 year old Associate Professors (jokyoju), married with two children.
Salary Scale / University name / Yearly salary in Japanese yen
TOP THREE
# 1 Kobe Gakuin University 11,120,783
# 2 Kinki University 11,034,225
# 3 Momoyama Gakuin U. 11,020,240
26 School Average 10,085,578
BOTTOM THREE
# 3 Baika Women's College 9,313,290
# 2 Osaka Art U/Naniwa JC 9,123,725
# 1 Osaka Choyoda JC 8,468,184

Table 5. These figures are for 45 year old full Professors (kyouju), married with two children
Salary Scale / University name / Yearly salary in Japanese yen
TOP THREE
# 1 Kobe Gakuin University 13,039,337
# 2 Kinki University 12,426,304
# 3 Osaka Seikei Junior Col. 12,288,205
26 School Average 11,476,637
BOTTOM THREE
# 3 Baika Women's College 10,594,453
# 2 Shukugawa Jr. College 9,917,455
# 1 Osaka Choyoda JC 9,743,543

Table 6. These figures are for 50 year old Professors (kyouju), married with two children.
Salary Scale / University name / Yearly salary in Japanese yen
TOP THREE
# 1 Kobe Gakuin University 13,829,743
# 2 Kinki University 13,663,151
# 3 Osaka U. of Economics 13,452,500
26 School Average 12,531,313
BOTTOM THREE
# 3 Osaka Art U/Naniwa JC 11,420,215
# 2 Shukugawa Jr. College 11,102,695
# 1 Osaka Choyoda JC 10,627,802

Table 7. These figures are for 55 year old Professors (kyouju), married with one dependent child.
Salary Scale / University name / Yearly salary in Japanese yen
TOP THREE
# 1 Kobe Gakuin University 14,329,834
# 2 Osaka Dental College 14,305,510
# 3 Kinki University 14,188,492
26 School Average 13,228,170
BOTTOM THREE
# 3 Osaka Women's Gakuen JC 12,267,544
# 2 Shukugawa Jr. College 12,096,940
# 1 Osaka Choyoda JC 11,114,801

Table 8. These are the figures for 60 year old Professors (kyouju), married with no dependent children.
Salary Scale / University name / Yearly salary in Japanese yen
TOP THREE
# 1 Osaka Dental College 15,436,390
# 2 Kobe Gakuin University 14,659,482
# 3 Kinki University 14,494,508
36 School Average 13,623,467
BOTTOM THREE
# 3 Osaka U of Law & Economics 12,569,800
# 2 Osaka Women's Gakuen JC 12,547,426
# 1 Osaka Choyoda JC 11,119,715
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womblingfree



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
You didn't say what your teaching experience was. Care to divulge?

Also, most FT uni positions require publications under your belt. Got any?


Four years, one at a uni. Sent off some articles recently to ELTJ & TESOL Quarterly, none published yet. Think I'll send some to a few Japanese periodicals. Know any good ones?

I won't be returning to Japan this year bar some unforseen event. I've decided to stay put and work in further/higher ed. over here just so's I'm entrenched in the system when I return from another overseas excursion.

Thanks for all the info guys.
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