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First contract in Chna (or anywhere)

 
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Bruce the Hobbit



Joined: 28 Jul 2006
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Location: Canada

PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: First contract in Chna (or anywhere) Reply with quote

OK, newbie warning. This is my first post.

My particulars:
I live in Canada and I must vacate my current place of residence by the end of the month. I am in my forties. (Yes, I'm one of those "changing my life" people). Wink

I have a TESL certificate. I have no post secondary degree and no teaching experience beyond my practicum, (and a bit of tutoring to a native English speaking child).

I am currently considering three different contract offers. According to my research, one is in (even for China) an extremely polluted province in the north central area. One is in Beijing, and one is in the northeast. Because of my circumstances, I'm really under the gun about needing to make a decision very soon, (possibly in less than 24 hours in one case).

My questions are more concerned with contract terms, than just salary.
1) Is it unusual for Chinese contracts to have cash penalties? (The two that do range from $400 to $500US).
2) Is it unusual not to have any paid sick leave?
3) Is it a major problem if a contract doesn't specify what hours of the day and days of the week that you should teach?
4) Could anyone give me an opinion about being assigned to teach at up to three differnet schools in a major city and its surrounding area?

Any information on these questions would be much appreciated.

Bruce.
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tw



Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 1:38 am    Post subject: Re: First contract in Chna (or anywhere) Reply with quote

Bruce the Hobbit wrote:
1) Is it unusual for Chinese contracts to have cash penalties? (The two that do range from $400 to $500US).


That is a standard clause in the actual SAFEA contract and in many contract appendixes I have seen. Take a look:

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V. Breach Penalty
When either of the two parties fails to fulfill the contract or fails to fulfill the contract obligations for reasons other than an unexpected or uncontrollable event according to the terms stipulated, that is, breaks the contract, it must pay a breach penalty of US $1000(or the equivalent in RMB).


In one actual contract appendixes:

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VIII. Breach Penalty
When either of the two parties fails to fulfill the contract or fails to fulfill the contract obligations according to the terms stipulated, that is, breaks the contract, it must pay a breach penalty of 12000RMB (or the equivalent in RMB).
If Party B asks to cancel the contract without valid reason, it should pay a breach penalty to Party A.
If Party A asks to cancel the contract without valid reason, it should pay a breach penalty to Party B.


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2) Is it unusual not to have any paid sick leave?


It varies from contract to contract. Take a look at these two actual contract appendixes.

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6. Sick leave
When asking for sick leave, Party B should produce a doctor�s certification.
His/her salary shall be paid as usual if the sick leave is within 30 days. After 30 days, if Party B still can not resume regular work, Party A has the right to terminate the contract, and this practice should be considered reasonable and legal; if Party A doesn�t terminate the contract, Party B shall receive 50% of his/her salary until the day he/she resumes regular work.


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IV. Sick leave and private affairs leave
1. Certificate from doctors for foreigners appointed by the host institution should be presented when the employed party asks for sick leave. If the sick leaves amount to less than 30 days within one contract term (one year or one academic year), the party employed shall be paid with 100% of the salary. In case the leaves exceed 30 days, the host institution has the right to terminate the contract, or, if the contract is not terminated, the 70% of the salary will be paid until the normal work is resumed.
2. It is the right of the host to approve the employed party�s private affairs leave. The host institution will deduct the salary of the employed party by day. In the contract term (one year or one academic year), the private affairs leaves should not exceed 10 days. The continuous private affairs leave shall be no more than 3 clays, and two day�s salary will deducted for each day thereafter.


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3) Is it a major problem if a contract doesn't specify what hours of the day and days of the week that you should teach?


To many FT's that is a problem because they don't like teaching weekends and/or evenings. You can ask to have them in place but if the employer is a language training centre, you will find that almost impossible.

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4) Could anyone give me an opinion about being assigned to teach at up to three differnet schools in a major city and its surrounding area?


Don't even consider the contract! Think of the possibility that you will have to travel between three schools on a particular day and not getting paid for the time and each single bus trip could be somewhere around 30 minutes long. That and the fact you will only be teaching ONE stinking hour at each school, does it still make sense to take the position? Unless you are in dire need of a job, this contract should not even be considered or at the bottom of the list.
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Super Mario



Joined: 27 May 2005
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Location: Australia, previously China

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order:
1] These are standard in state contracts. Notice they work both ways; theoretically.

2] Not unusual. Getting paid for not working is not a Chinese concept, though some more progressive employers are picking up on it. Good employers won't dock pay if you're a good employee. You may be asked to "make up" classes.

3] Not in itself, as the basic proforma doesn't carry this amount of detail. You negotiate this via email, bring the mails, and have an extra clause added to the contract. State schools generally run Mon-Fri. Some have evening classes though.

4] Being farmed out is one of the major joys of being at the bottom of the EFL food chain. It may be a recruiter, may be your "owner" school, but each time, they're getting a cut, and you're spending considerable unpaid hours on the road.
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Bruce the Hobbit



Joined: 28 Jul 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: First contract in China (or anywhere) Reply with quote

Thank you yunqui, tw and Super Mario for all your information. I especially appreciate the examples you provided tw.

Based on what you've said, I'm not going to worry about the penalties, and hope that I don't get sick! As for hours and working multiple locations, I've talked to a native English speaking teacher from one location, and he told me that company is all about providing teachers to public schools, so that should take care of evenings and weekends. Another position, will not compensate me for my travel time to different schools, but will pay my travel expenses.

Based on my particulars, (no experience, no bachelors, TESL Certificate), I'm likely to accept one of these positions, because of that whole "beggars & choosers" thing. Wink

Bruce the Hobbit.
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Henry_Cowell



Joined: 27 May 2005
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Location: Berkeley

PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't you live with friends or family in Canada (or even take a cheap motel room) until you find a really satisfactory job?

Accepting a job in 24 hours on the other side of the world just because you have to vacate your apartment is a bit dicey, even in the world of TEFL. Cool
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