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Non-natives in Tokyo: eight questions
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Man of Steel



Joined: 04 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As noted above, it sounds like you are more than qualified to teach English (probably more so than most of the conversation "teachers" running loose here). But I don't write the immigration rules.


You speak of immigration rules ... Are you saying that, even if I found an employer willing to sponsor my working visa application, there is a possibility that the authorities will make their own assessment of my capabilities (e.g., based on nationality), and may refuse a WV? Or are you saying that bc of my nationality I can't apply for a WHV and therefore finding a job (and therefore a sponsor for a WV) will be that much more difficult for me?

BTW, thx so much for all replies so far. Truely apreciate it. I know that I'm not going to get any guarantees on this forum, but all your replies have been realy helpful.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote that I knew OF a Frenchman teaching English. I never met him. I saw one of his students. Poor girl. First lesson was to translate by herself over 7 pages of expressions to get through airports. I have no other knowledge of that character, but I pitied the poor student (who got a sample lesson from me that day and wanted to take my private classes, but who couldn't afford it).

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Are you saying that, even if I found an employer willing to sponsor my working visa application, there is a possibility that the authorities will make their own assessment of my capabilities (e.g., based on nationality), and may refuse a WV?

Yes. What employers want and what immigration want may be different, but it is immigration that gives you the permission to stay and work here (Ministry of Justice, actually).

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Or are you saying that bc of my nationality I can't apply for a WHV and therefore finding a job (and therefore a sponsor for a WV) will be that much more difficult for me?
I don't believe Belgium has a working holiday relationship with Japan, so you can't apply for a WHV.

As for JET programme CIRs, they usually require a fairly high fluency in Japanese. Look at the JET web site for information.
www.jetprogramme.org
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Man of Steel



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belgians can't get a WHV. True. I wasn't asking the forum participants to check this rule for me. I just wondered what poster meant exactly with his comment that "immigration rules" may be an additional obstacle. Your reply was very informative Glenski. Thxs !

Wow, it seems like this adventure is going to be tougher than I thought. Hmm...
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shuize



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man of Steel wrote:
I just wondered what poster meant exactly with his comment that "immigration rules" may be an additional obstacle.


As an attorney, I'd think you should be able to research this on your own. But since I'm feeling generous today,

Japanese visa information:

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Instructor

1. In cases where the applicant is to engage in instruction at a vocational school ("Kakushugakko") or an educational institution equivalent to it in facilities and curriculum or in cases where the applicant is to engage in instruction at other school with a capacity other than a "teacher", the following conditions are to be fulfilled. However (a) is to be fulfilled in cases where the applicant is to engage in instruction at a vocational school or an educational institution equivalent to it in facilities and curriculum which is established to give the children with the status of residence "Diplomat" or "Official" mentioned in Annexed Table 1 (1) or "Dependent" mentioned in Annexed Table 1 (4) education of primary, junior and senior high school in foreign language.

a. The applicant must have graduated from or completed a college or acquired equivalent education, or must hold a license to teach the subject that he or she intends to teach in Japan. When the applicant is planning on teaching a foreign language, he or she must have acquired education in that language for at least 12 years.

b. When the applicant is going to teach other subjects, he or she must have at least 5 years' teaching experience in that subject.

2. The applicant should receive no less salary than a Japanese national would receive for comparable work.


From this site:

http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/index.html

Of course, I make no claims as to how strictly this rule is enforced or if it is the final word in your quest to teach English in Japan. I only offer it for your consideration.
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Man of Steel



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And that answers question nr 7 in my first posting. I should expect most Japanese employers to have the "12 year education" type eligibility requirement, simply because it is one of the WV requirements. Thxs shuize, very helpful.

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As an attorney, I'd think you should be able to research this on your own.


Lots of things to think about/consider. Apologies if some of the questions don't belong here. Embarassed
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Man of Steel



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will query my Belgian mate on Friday and get back to you on that.


Please do !!


Sweetsee ... did you check? I'm dying to know ... For your reference ... this is about the Belgian dude who managed to secure an English teaching job in Japan ... I was wondering how he managed to get around the preference of employers and immigration authorities for native speakers.

I thought I would let this thread die, but then I read Tsotsa's message and it occurred to me that your reply might be relevant for him too. (sucks for him but I think the Maltese may be considered non-native speakers of English)
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry MOS. We met for only five minutes and it completely slipped my mind, well not completely because riding home on the train I remembered but it was too late. At any rate, he is a long-term resident though not an English teacher.
Another friend I may have referred to was French and he taught at a small school for many years, though on a spouse visa.
Sorry I haven't been mush help. I will ask my Belgian friend his opinion on your situation but won't be seeing him until next month.

Enjoy,
s
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