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Applying for a job in Japan from outside Japan

 
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Waegook



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:49 am    Post subject: Applying for a job in Japan from outside Japan Reply with quote

My apologies if this has been covered elsewhere on the forum, but I've just joined.

After teaching for a year in Korea, I am currently looking for a job in Japan, hopefully in Kitakyushu. I am now back in my native Scotland, and have been sending my CV/resume out to non-chain schools with vacancies.

I'm wondering if I'm wasting my time, not being in Japan with a visa already organised. I know I can apply for the Big 4 and go through the recruitment process in London, but I don't want to do that just now because I'm looking for work in a specific place in the first instance. I am able to leave for Japan at any time, and I'm considering going there to look for work in person, but the visa issue would still be there, and I couldn't afford to hang around for too long without any income. Also, I'm not prepared to work on a holiday visa, as I understand this is illegal.

Is the Big 4 route my only real option, or are individual schools often willing to accept an applicant not residing in Japan?

Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am now back in my native Scotland, and have been sending my CV/resume out to non-chain schools with vacancies.

I'm wondering if I'm wasting my time, not being in Japan with a visa already organised.
Personally, I would say yes. NON-chain schools don't advertise that they will hire from abroad. They are small outfits and can't afford to send a person to interview abroad. I have heard of a few rare exceptions where they do a phone interview from Japan, but I have very little trust in that. Interviews are 2-way streets, and to do an interview sight-unseen is dangerous to me.

You're going to have to suck it up and apply to the chain schools, or come here.

Think about it, though.
Chain schools provide a visa.
Chain schools often give a discount on airfare.
Some of them even give a bonus after 12 months which essentially covers airfare.
They provide housing, a comfortable office, local transportation fees, and a pre-planned teaching format.
What is it you don't like about them?

I'm not saying they are the best thing in the world, but look at the alternatives. You come here, spend US$4000 to job hunt for a couple of months with just as much uncertainty about getting hired, and you probably have given up your apartment back home.
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Waegook



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply and the advice.

A friend of mine got a job in Japan from Korea, the interview being by MSN Messenger, but I think she was lucky.

It looks like I'm going to have to go the chain schools route. Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against them. Actually, I'd prefer a chain school in many ways, because of the advantages you point out. It's just that I was hoping to find work in a particular location, and the chain school route would mean giving up on that.
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cappuck



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOD EDIT Personally, I got my first job in Japan at a non-chain eikaiwa simply by applying for it right off of this website! And I know a lot of others who did exactly the same thing.

Please don't take his advice on this one. Too many people listen to his inaccurate information. In fact, a lot of places want to hire people directly from abroad for different reasons. They are not necessarily reasons favorable to the teacher, however, they can get you a visa and a job.

If you are hoping to land a job teaching in Japan and would prefer to secure something before you leave home, then you should shotgun your resume out to employers. Likely, you'll get some responses, possibly some phone interviews and / or offers.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MOD EDIT

Small outfits, as I wrote, rarely hire and sponsor from overseas. That does not mean they NEVER do.

Heck, even I got hired by one, but I was fortunate enough not to have to go through a phone interview. Of course, that was 8 years ago. How long ago was your first job? Times change.

Go ahead and shotgun your resumes, if you like. Most people will agree that it's a waste of time, energy, and postage if the employers aren't advertising. You could get lucky, but personally I wouldn't do it and I don't advise it.
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Like a Rolling Stone



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Nova have most places available so maybe it would be the easiest place to get a place in a specific place. All the other schools would just be good luck.
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Waegook



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your contributions, guys.

I'm going to apply for the chain-schools, but on the side I'm going to send off CVs electronically for advertised vacancies, or in response to school directors who contact me (as I have done), as it's no real effort and who knows?

From what you've been saying, though, I won't pin my hopes on getting the location I want, but I'll keep my fingers crossed for good luck!
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Bozo Yoroshiku



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
NON-chain schools don't advertise that they will hire from abroad. They are small outfits and can't afford to send a person to interview abroad.

Do you think they would give interviews to someone who applied from abroad, but mentioned in the cover letter they would be available for interviews in Japan during, say, a certain month? Then arrange several interviews and go over?

Seems easier (if it works) and certainly cheaper than going over for months (without any real prospects in mind) HOPING to land something. I'd be flying/ferrying over from Korea, too, so it's not a big financial burden to shuttle between the two countries if the interviews don't pan out the first time.


--boz
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Glenski wrote:
NON-chain schools don't advertise that they will hire from abroad. They are small outfits and can't afford to send a person to interview abroad.

Bozo Yoroshiku responded:
Do you think they would give interviews to someone who applied from abroad, but mentioned in the cover letter they would be available for interviews in Japan during, say, a certain month? Then arrange several interviews and go over?


That's precisely one of the strategies I advocate.
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Bozo Yoroshiku



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
That's precisely one of the strategies I advocate.

Considering a return ferry is Y20,000 and the several-week JR RailPass is about 35,000 (and throw in a few nights at a capsule hotel or cheap Japanese Inn) and a "Job Interview Vacation" seems a lot cheaper than living there for 2-3 months, hoofing it around town and cold calling places.


--boz
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Bozo Yoroshiku



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bozo Yoroshiku wrote:
but mentioned in the cover letter they would be available for interviews in Japan during, say, a certain month?

Do you think it would be acceptable to bring attention to this fact by bolding it in the cover letter. I only ask because I've never heard tell of emphasizing a sentence like that in a cover letter (and I used to counsel others on covers/resumes at the unemployment center), and who knows how the Japanese would take it (anal for rules as they are).


--boz
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say emphasize it merely by writing it in a final separate paragraph (right before the thank you, of course). No need to put something as glaring as bold font in a cover letter. Just my opinion.
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Bozo Yoroshiku



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
I would say emphasize it merely by writing it in a final separate paragraph (right before the thank you, of course).

The obvious staring-at-me-in-the-face solution. Of course. (And I call myself a writing teacher... "I go to box and feel shame.")

Thanks.


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