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ericksgm



Joined: 08 May 2006
Posts: 21
Location: Tapachula

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:44 pm    Post subject: The immigration card Reply with quote

When I came into the country, immigration only gave me five days to stay here and said that my school would have to take it of it. I know I was dumb to tell them that I was here to teach, but what can I say, I�m an honest person. I�ve learned my lesson. The thing is, I have now been here just about a month and while my school is working on my FM3, they aren�t even close and all I have is this card that says I�m allowed to be here for 5 days. If I want to go to Guatemala or even travel around Mexico am I going to have problems? Please help me out. I don�t want to get deported for something like this. Thanks for the help!
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohhhh... What is the hold-up with the school? That doesn't sound right. I would think if they were sincere they would have given you the necessary paperwork right away so that you could get that process started especially in light of your expired tourist card.

What you should do now is run to the nearest immigration office, tell them that you wish to extend your tourist card to the maximum of 180 days. They may give you a little per diem fine from the 5 days until the day you ask for extension. It will be worse if you say you are working. You learned that once already. You are supposed to have the working FM3 in-hand before starting work. Tell them you are exploring and adventuring! That is not far from the truth is it? Let us know how it goes.
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have your passport back or does migra have it? Don't go down to migra or try leaving Mexico without it.
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Ben Round de Bloc



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Do you have your passport back . . . ?

Rule #1: Never willingly hand over your passport to anyone if they're going to remove it from your sight while they have it in their possession. They can photocopy it, stamp it, and/or scrutinize it if necessary, but don't let them keep it . . . unless they are holding a gun to your head or a knife to your throat or something like that, of course.
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ericksgm



Joined: 08 May 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I do still have my passport. I wouldn�t have gone anywhere without it, that�s for sure. Do I play the dumb american and act like I didn�t realize what happened? Can I just leave the country and come back in and get the 90-180 days?
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said, you can get it extended by visiting Immigration and asking for an extension. People do that all the time. If I read your initial post correctly, the school hasn't given you appropriate necessary paperwork to submit yet for your work permit so immigration is not aware of any school you might be thinking of working at. So just go down and say you want an extension on the tourist card. Any fine they might levy for expired tourist card is less than the cost of a ticket out of Mexico and back. If you leave the country and return you may still end up with only 30 days (that is at the discretion of the Immigration officer you encounter), so apply for the 180 day in person at the Immigration office, pay the tourist card fee again (about $20.00 USD) and you will be all set.

One of your posts indicated that you are training for Harmon Hall but may be moving on rather than staying to be an employee there, so this is all the more reason to go to the nearest Immigration office and ask for the maximum tourist card allowance. You simply don't talk to Immigration about working. That comes when you have the appropriate paperwork to submit, whether it be there or in your new location.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, good advice there. Don't play dumb gringo. Play informed and respectful gringo. It gets more done.
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ls650



Joined: 10 May 2003
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Location: British Columbia

PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:
So just go down and say you want an extension on the tourist card. You simply don't talk to Immigration about working.
I think this is important. Tell them you are enjoying your visit to Mexico, you want to stay longer, and that you need the card extended.
Do not complicate matters by telling them that you will want to get an FM3 until the school has your paperwork ready... and tell the school to get its act together. It shouldn't take them more than a few days to prepare the paperwork you need to take to immigration for an FM3.
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PlayadelSoul



Joined: 29 Jun 2005
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Location: Playa del Carmen

PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine they might be waiting to see if she is going to stick around, or not. Wasn't there a thread, recently, expressing some doubt?
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Yes, good advice there. Don't play dumb gringo. Play informed and respectful gringo. It gets more done.


Definately.

Seeing that you are right on the Guatemalan boarder, another route (other than going to immigration for an extension as Sam's suggestion) would be go to Guatemala, when you leave Mexico don't say anything about the card being expired. If they say anything to you (there is a chance they won't even notice it, if they are deep in gossip among themselves they might stamp and say "next") If they say this is expired. You say that you didn't know. You had been told tourists got 90 days so you didn't look at it too closely and now you are leaving, well before 90 days, so you didn't even imagine there could be a problem. Very polietly, even cheerfully, offer to pay any fine and apoligize for causing problems. Stay the weekend (or a few days more) in Guatemala, go back to Mexico at a very different time of day, hoping that there will be different staff on duty who won't remember you. Make sure they give you a new 90 day tourist visa, because Mexico is such a big and beautiful country you won't be able to see what you want to see in any less than that. You might even mention not having to be back in the US until Christmas. Remain as cheerful as possible through out this process. Cheerful works, beligernet gets people deported. (And yes PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DEPORTED).

You made a big mistake when you first entered the country. If it is true that you are in HH's training program I'd say they have no intention of starting you FM3 visa paperwork until you finish the training and they decide if they want to keep you on. While Honesty maybe the best policy if we are talking general human existance, if you want to live for any time in Mexico you've got to learn to follow more of a "don't ask don't tell" take on most things. There are very few occasions when you should "tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth" you're not in court, you're in Mexico. No one will tell you the whole truth (as you've now learned from this experience), so you have to learn to play by their rules.
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lozwich



Joined: 25 May 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the op doesn't have free time to go to Guatemala, could she just go to immigration and say she lost the card? In my various entries and exits of Mexico, they've stamped in my passport, but have never written how long the tourist visa is. The time limit gets written on the flimsy bit of paper (or card, depending on the method of entry) and that is submitted when leaving the country.

In any case, its going to involve a fair bit of flexible truth, and in agreement with the others, I'd suggest she has her story straight and is as respectful and earnest as possible when she goes to sort it out.

Suerte!
Lozwich.
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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Location: Mexican Riviera

PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Immigration in my area has heard the lost tourist card story quite alot. In this area where people tend to stay on and enjoy the beach, they demand proof of when you entered the country such as your international airline ticket. The proof had best suit them or you will be asked to leave and return.

It is quite common to extend tourist cards (to the allowable limit) inside the country since the time frames given at airports have been reduced to 30, 60, or 90 (5 days is just nasty Evil or Very Mad , since airport immigration officials also rotate in INAMI offices, at least here, and they know how long it takes to get FM3's)

If it comes down to it and we are coaching creative 'solutions' Embarassed why not just go for it and change the 5 to a 6 and add a zero. Use the same color pen and it won't be given a second glance and you won't have to visit immigration just yet. (If you botch it up too badly you WILL then have to lose it). Make plans to get work permissions in before the self-granted 60 period has gone by.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:
Immigration in my area has heard the lost tourist card story quite alot. In this area where people tend to stay on and enjoy the beach, they demand proof of when you entered the country such as your international airline ticket. The proof had best suit them or you will be asked to leave and return.


Oooh I like this idea the best! You "lose" your tourist card. Take in your airline ticket or boarding pass or something. You've been here less than 30 days right, they won't have any way of knowing the card was for 5 days, if they think you got 90, you still have 60 or so of that left. There might be a fee for the replacement, but no fine for being past your limit and best of all NO NEED for explaining why you only got 5 days in the first place!

two heads are definately better than one!!!!
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tonydicer



Joined: 03 Mar 2005
Posts: 81
Location: Monterrey, Mexico

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about 2 numb skulls? Are 2 better than 1?
What's with the dog, Melee?

How many of you in this forum are ILLEGAL ALIENS living in Mexico?? This breaking of NATIONAL IMMIGRATION LAW ....


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saraswati



Joined: 30 Mar 2004
Posts: 200

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The school can't start processing your FM3 if your FMT is expired. You'll need to extend it, get a new one, whatever BEFORE anything else.
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